Here's the article that I promised to post on the World Social Forum.
It appeared on ZNET's
activism list. Warning: it's long, but, I think, worthwhile.
Peter Hollings
SOME REFLECTIONS ON THE GLOBAL JUSTICE MOVEMENT
(And an eye-witness account of the World Social Forum)
Yo comrades
Hi
This article is very long for the list. It is better to post a small
part and a URL if possible.
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Reply to Louis Proyect on revolutionary socialism
This article is very long for the list. It is better to post a small
part and a URL if possible
will need your address, too.)
Peter Hollings
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Emrich, Editor, info-commons.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [PEN-L] Reply to Louis Proyect on revolutionary socialism
I suppose that we must look rather comical to some sitting in front of
our computers, laying out a strategy for revolutionary socialism.
First we need to be able to communicate why someone who has no idea
about the potential benefits of socialism should be interested in the
subject. Then we would
Michael Perelman wrote:
I suppose that we must look rather comical to some sitting in front of
our computers, laying out a strategy for revolutionary socialism.
Yeah, that's true. But not so comical to the young people who launched
lefthook.org a few months ago. When I met with them this weekend
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:18:54AM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Yeah, that's true. But not so comical to the young people who launched
lefthook.org a few months ago. When I met with them this weekend, we kicked
around some ideas about what role that their website might play in a couple
Yes,
Michael Perelman:
Yes, what can we do to spread the kind of enthusiasm you are describing
with the lefthook people?
Michael, the system is recruiting people to socialism in ample numbers.
Just the other day I got email from a 9th grade student doing a paper on
Che Guevara and the Cuban revolution.
I am glad to see that recruitment is working, but I am not so sure
about the ample numbers.
On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:37:54AM -0500, Louis Proyect wrote:
Michael, the system is recruiting people to socialism in ample numbers.
Just the other day I got email from a 9th grade student doing a
Louis wrote:
B-52's raining Volkswagen size bombs on peasant villages recruited me to
socialism, not elegant descriptions of the benefits of a future world.
I do not see how the one need exclude the other, and it really avoids the
question of what would recruit young people to socialism these
Jurriaan wrote:
The very term recruiting is problematic, because this suggests
that people are being conscripted into a military service under a Marx
commander, a Marxist boss. And this is one of the factors which gave rise to
autonomism in the first place.
This is a very good point. The appeal of
It sounds better than communism.
This is a very good point. The appeal of autonomism is that you can call
yourself a revolutionary without actually forming organizations and taking
responsibility for anything. This was also the appeal of the New Left in
the 1960s.
But, with due respect, even there I think you are mistaken.
Michael Perelman wrote:
I suppose that we must look rather comical to some sitting in front of
our computers, laying out a strategy for revolutionary socialism.
Yeah, that's true. But not so comical to the young people who launched
lefthook.org a few months ago. When I met with them this weekend
] Reply to Louis Proyect on revolutionary socialism
Louis wrote:
B-52's raining Volkswagen size bombs on peasant villages recruited me
to
socialism, not elegant descriptions of the benefits of a future world.
I do not see how the one need exclude the other, and it really avoids
the
question of what
In a message dated 3/16/2004 10:15:20 AM Central Standard Time, lnp3
@PANIX.COM writes:
Jurriaan wrote:
The very term recruiting is problematic, because this suggests
that people are being conscripted into a military service under a Marx
commander, a Marxist boss. And this is one of the factors
There are going
to be bosses. Leadership or being boss means you have accepted - one way
or
another, responsibility to do something.
Okay, so now there are going to be bosses. The question raised however is:
how do they become bosses, by what process ? How do they establish their
leadership ?
Peter,
Thanks for your comment, which is encouraging. I've never really had any
despair about political prospects or the lack of them. I don't care about
that, it's none of my concern. For most of the 1980s and some years in the
1990s I was involved in various groups and campaigns on and off. But
In a message dated 3/16/2004 4:35:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Okay, so now there are going to be bosses. The question raised however is:how do they become bosses, by what process? How do they establish theirleadership ?To explicate the problem simply, let's just take
I think that this thread has gone on enough.
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Michael Perelman
Economics Department
California State University
Chico, CA 95929
Tel. 530-898-5321
E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu
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