On Friday, February 7, 2003 at 17:15:10 (-0800) Michael Perelman writes:
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Amen.
Bill
I guess I must be in the loyal opposition too. I want to understand
Bin Laden the better to destroy him. I don't believe anyone here
regards him as a freedom fighter. In fact, I don't think bin Laden
and his gang regard themselves as freedom fighters
Don't get me wrong. In my opinion Bin
--- Doyle Saylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings Economists,
JKS writes in a thread that is drawing all and
asunder their opinion,
JKS
I guess I must be in the loyal opposition too.
Doyle,
Not me. I don't want to continue capitalism, so I'm
not loyal to their
wind.
Don't be
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Look at how the Factor talks to him, using his title, saying,
You're smarter than I am., etc.
In O'Reilly-land that can be an insult. Being dumb, like W, is a sign
of populism. (Of course, O'Reilly did get a masters at the Kennedy
School, so he's not innocent of
Greetings Economists,
JKS responds about my ironing habits,
JKS,
Don't be irony-impaired, Doyle.
Doyle,
;-)
JKS
Fish would eat you and your milieu for an appetizer.
Your bet's idle, though, because he wouldn't consider
you worth him time. Anyone who is familiar with his
writing and speaking
At 01:22 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
andie nachgeborenen wrote:
Look at how the Factor talks to him, using his title, saying,
You're smarter than I am., etc.
In O'Reilly-land that can be an insult. Being dumb, like W, is a sign
of populism. (Of course, O'Reilly did get a masters at the
Steven McGraw wrote:
Plenty
of public intellectuals have an equally uncomplicated view of the world
Like who? Fred Barnes? Howard Zinn?
Doug
Are we really talking about views of the world or about communication
styles of propagandists?
On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 05:13:50PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
Steven McGraw wrote:
Plenty
of public intellectuals have an equally uncomplicated view of the world
Like who? Fred Barnes? Howard
Steven McGraw wrote:
Plenty
of public intellectuals have an equally uncomplicated view of the world,
I suspect _everyone_ has at least two views of the world, a complex view
and a simpler view -- simplification coming from different sources in
different people. (Everyone has a third
At 05:13 PM 2/8/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Steven McGraw wrote:
Plenty
of public intellectuals have an equally uncomplicated view of the world
Like who? Fred Barnes? Howard Zinn?
Doug
In this case I'm thinking mostly of mainstream-to-liberal commentators.
Don't wanna name too many names in case
(On a recent show of his -- the pretentiously named O'Reilly Factor
-- Bill O'Reilly learned that a family member of a 9/11 victim had
signed 'the not in our name' statement of conscience ad that appeared
in the New York Times on Jan. 27th and promised to invite him on the
show... here is the
And this (O'REILLY) is the man that cool leftists want to praise for his
sense of humor?
Carrol
Carrol Cox wrote:
And this (O'REILLY) is the man that cool leftists want to praise for his
sense of humor?
I suppose this is directed at me, so...
I know I'll never be as uncool as you Carrol, though I have to admit
I'm not trying very hard. But I've said lots of times, while O'R is
- Original Message -
From: Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now I know one isn't supposed to take any pleasure in evil people;
I'm in an unsuccessful rebellion against my Catholic past, and
sometimes I forget this point.
==
Somebody break out the Bushmill's and call the
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 02:55:45PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
I hate to deploy Fitzgerald's cliche once again, but I guess it
became a cliche because there are so many illustrations of the
principle: The test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to
hold two opposed ideas in mind at
Kendall Clark wrote:
I think that it's O'Reilly who has a hard time squaring internal
contradiction, however.
He can't handle it when leftists are smart articulate, like Glick
was. We were watching a few weeks ago when a very sharp immigration
lawyer was giving him a hard time for his
On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 04:09:01PM -0500, Doug Henwood wrote:
Kendall Clark wrote:
He can't handle it when leftists are smart articulate, like Glick
was.
I thought Amiri Baraka cleaned his clock too, even with the sorta dumb bit
about George Bush knew it was gonna happen. If Baraka's
My guess is that he let Fish go on because there is submissiveness and a
profound sense of inadequacy mixed with his fake populism toward the
left and cultural elites.
Joel Blau
Doug Henwood wrote:
Kendall Clark wrote:
I think that it's O'Reilly who has a hard time squaring internal
Kendall Clark wrote:
Of course, Stanley Fish walked all over him and he didn't cut him
off. I wonder why he got away with it?
I didn't see this. Transcript? (I would hypothesize that O'Reilly's
readiness to cut people off is subject-matter dependent, to some degree. He
seems genuinely
Joel Blau wrote:
My guess is that he let Fish go on because there is submissiveness and a
profound sense of inadequacy mixed with his fake populism toward the
left and cultural elites.
Joel Blau
And perhaps because they are twins under the skin?? :-) I've never heard
Fish speak, but
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34460] a slip of the Fox noose
It's really irritating how O'Reilly keeps on calling Fish Dean (and not Dean Fish). But more importantly, I think that the reason why he let Fish walk all over him is that the issue at hand was pretty abstract, i.e., whether Osama should
Title: RE: [PEN-L:34460] a slip of the Fox noose
I think that's a fair
assessment. Fish, after all, was making
a pragmatic argument from the perspective of the loyal opposition: let's
understand Bin Laden better to make it easier to destroy him, hardly more than a
difference in tactics
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Michael Perelman
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California State University
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Three Guests Who Bested O'Reilly:
* Stanley Fish, Dean (College of Liberal Arts and Sciences)/Professor
of English and Criminal Justice (Milton and Post-Modernism),
University of Illinois - Chicago
* Amiri Baraka, Poet Laureate, New Jersey
* Jeremy Glick, Lecturer, English (African-American
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It's really irritating how O'Reilly keeps on calling Fish "Dean" (and not "Dean Fish"). But more importantly, I think that the reason why he let Fish "
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a slip of the Fox noose
I guess I must be in the loyal opposition too. I want
to understand Bin Laden the better to destroy him. I don't believe anyone here
regards him as a freedom fighter. In fact, I don't think bin Laden and his gang
regard themselvesa s freedom fighters. Holy
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