Re: [PEN-L] in hock to the Chinese

Marty's comments are all well-taken, but I think he understates a tad the Chinese advantage. Yes the Chinese need to sell into the U.S., but in this vein they are riding the wave of free- trade policy originating in the U.S., plus the U.S. appetite for imports. At the same time they can diddle

Re: [PEN-L] overwork for gamers

Carrol Cox wrote: This is a vivid illustration of why I get so damned pissed off at leftists (and particularly leftists self-identified as marxists) who continually refer to the middle class and/or use the phrase working class only in reference to those who are in some sense manual workers.

Re: [PEN-L] overwork for gamers

Marvin Gandall wrote: The post WWII change in class structure, and the related decline in its class and political consciousness, has forced the major part of the left in the capitalist democracies to adjust its expectations of what is possible in these circumstances -- the foremost reason it has

Re: [PEN-L] overwork for gamers

Louis Proyect wrote: I wasn't aware that the major part of the left had a perspective of building independent working-class parties prior to WWII. The CPUSA tied its fate to the Democratic Party, as did the Socialist Party, during the height of the New Deal.

Re: [PEN-L] overwork for gamers

Marvin Gandall wrote: But this doesn't contradict that each in its own way was trying to build their own party to replace the Democrats, whom the workers then favoured, any more than the entry of the SWP into the Socialist Party was an indication that American Trotskyists had abandoned their

[PEN-L] The value of victims

The New York Times today reports that the payout for the 2,973 people killed in the 9/11 attacks is about $7 billion. That's roughly $2,354,524 per person killed. Since the invasion of Iraq, The United States government has killed, surely conservatively, about 100,000 Iraqis, I wonder where we

[PEN-L] 'Music Is Not a Loaf of Bread'

'Music Is Not a Loaf of Bread' By Xeni Jardin wired.com, 02:00 AM Nov. 15, 2004 PT Giving away an album online isn't the way most artists end up with gold records. But it worked out that way for Wilco. After being dropped from Reprise Records in 2001 over creative conflicts surrounding Yankee

Re: [PEN-L] overwork for gamers

Of course, Browder was subsequently purged for being a liquidationist. :) I'm familiar with the criticism of the CP tactics which you describe, but you apparently see them as more than tactical errors, as a strategy designed to permanently fold the party into the Democrats and end its public

Re: [PEN-L] The value of victims

A lot of the New York area victims were high income folks. You need to adjust your calculations for the correct value of a human life. Of course your ratio at the end is expressed in human beings rather than dollars, so that's ok. Except you left out [fill in blank with country names.] Gene

Re: [PEN-L] The value of victims

Bill wrote: To look at it another way, for each person killed in the 9/11 attacks, we have killed about 33 Iraqis since the invasion. I know Bill knows this, but I feel obligated to point out that those 33 were in the wrong country. JD

Re: [PEN-L] Master and Commander: The Far Side of the World

From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... Melville in the 19th century, who lashed out at military injustice in Billy Budd, ... Melville's cousin Guert Gansevoort was a key figure in a naval scandal that helped to inspire Billy Budd. Gansevoort, a navy lieutenant, was first officer of the

[PEN-L] is economics a science, revisited

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/ Is economics a science, revisited I wanted to comment on Brian's excellent past post on this issue. When the question is raised it usually bogs down pretty quickly into the dreariest sort of outdated Popperian philosophy of science (we make falsifiable claims!

[PEN-L] on billy bragg...

Billy Bragg's alternative version of I Vow to Thee My Country, The Many Not the Few (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/graphics/2004/11/16/nvow16big.gif;sessionid=P4A4MXETEFQI1QFIQMGCM54AVCBQUJVC), which he co-wrote with the diligent Battersea MP Martin Linton, poses a number of questions. As a

Re: [PEN-L] Labor Party: AFTER THE ELECTIONS: WHAT NEXT?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/2004 2:45:57 PM AFTER THE ELECTIONS: WHAT NEXT? Mark Dudzic, Labor Party National Organizer --- i too received this e-mail, here was my reply: political parties run candidates for office...

Re: [PEN-L] overwork for gamers

In a message dated 11/18/2004 8:13:09 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is ironic that some who want to liberate the workers don't even recognizewho they are-- that they are all around them, in their neighbourhoods, theirworkplaces, their families, and that in most cases, as

Re: [PEN-L] in hock to the Chinese

My sense too. I do not deny the importance of Martin's question The issue here is whether Chinese workers are benefiting from this ongoing shift to a foreign driven export led growth model. But in terms of geo-politics this looks like a pivotal moment. The Chinese have still a unified power

[PEN-L] Greens Shame Dems!

This just in from _The Black Commentator_. Standing up for the most basic of democratic rights is not only the right thing to do -- it has put both the Green Party and Ralph Nader on the Black political map like never before: blockquoteGreens Shame Dems The Confederacy has finally won, declared

Re: [PEN-L] Labor Party: AFTER THE ELECTIONS: WHAT NEXT?

Michael Hoover sez: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/17/2004 2:45:57 PM AFTER THE ELECTIONS: WHAT NEXT? Mark Dudzic, Labor Party National Organizer --- i too received this e-mail, here was my reply: political parties run candidates for office... Precisely, but you

Re: [PEN-L] Labor Party: AFTER THE ELECTIONS: WHAT NEXT?

In a message dated 11/18/2004 2:16:25 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFTER THE ELECTIONS: WHAT NEXT?Mark Dudzic, Labor Party National Organizer---i too received this e-mail, here was my reply:political parties run candidates for

Re: [PEN-L] in hock to the Chinese

Interesting discussion. I guess the question for me is what is at stake in this dance between Chinese and U.S. leaders?. Let us assume that the Chinese can in fact move in and out of the bond market to give the U.S. a bit of shock treatment. Given their development model what do you think that

[PEN-L] Jim wants you to see this.

Jim thought you would like this site. http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/111904W.shtml ApplyRefer v2.3

[PEN-L] Clinical Academic Freedom in Canada

I think this might interest some of you. Hari Kumar November 18, 2004 - FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE THREATS TO ACADEMIC FREEDOM SHOULD WORRY PUBLIC The Medical Reform Group of Ontario today noted the serious implications of a Canadian Association of University

Re: [PEN-L] in hock to the Chinese

- Original Message - From: Martin Hart-Landsberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting discussion. I guess the question for me is what is at stake in this dance between Chinese and U.S. leaders?. Let us assume that the Chinese can in fact move in and out of the bond market to give the U.S. a

[PEN-L] a call to the privatize the electoral process!

http://www.theonion.com/news/index.php?issue=4046n=1 U.S. Sen. Conrad Burns (R-MT) called for an end to big government overseeing the election of big government. [snip]