Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-11 Thread Jonathan Lassen
From my standpoint the conversation concerning China gets loud because of the lack of concrete economic and political data. Then ideology parades as insight. Quite. If China's non agricultural workforce is between 350 and 400 million . . . with roughly 100 million in the NON STATE SECTOR . . .

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/11/2004 12:06:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, your employment numbers are fantastically off. Here's a report (2002) from China's State Council: Reply Thanks for the data. Actually . . . they are not my figures . . . and perhaps should not

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/11/2004 12:06:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From the perspective of living labor, what is the difference betweenstate and non-state management if their common goal is the ruthlessexpansion of value? Comment The property relations that determines

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-11 Thread Louis Proyect
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nevertheless my base question was what did Fidel say that qualified as being horrified by China. He probably has never criticized China's capitalist transformation publicly since China has been fairly generous with Cuba economically. The article I forwarded quotes

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-11 Thread Waistline2
In a message dated 8/11/2004 3:20:06 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nevertheless my base question was what did Fidel say that qualified as being horrified by China. He probably has never criticized China's capitalist transformation publicly since

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-11 Thread Jonathan Lassen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My resistance is to an ideological curve in our history that bounces from crying crocodile tears over the alleged famine killing perhaps as many as 40 million people and all kinds of vilification of the revolution in China and the on going revolutionary process. Which I

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-10 Thread Louis Proyect
My guess is that this is a reference to prostitution in Cuba. Charles Brown wrote: by Louis Proyect -clip- He is the sort of man who does not want to see his legacy diluted in his lifetime, the diplomat said, adding that Castro was probably unaware of the extent of social decay in Cuba. ^^ CB:

Re: Fidel Castro horrified by China

2004-08-10 Thread Waistline2
HORRIFIED BY CHINA Western observers said Castro was shocked by the rapid move to capitalism and growing social differences he witnessed in China last year. "There is no coincidence that a lot of this has happened since he visited China. Many people say he was horrified with what he saw,"