Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Ballard
Hi Pensters, My view from down here and from having known people in the rank file voting public of California is that they voted for Arnie because he promised them simple, honest good governance and a 'strong' government. The government under Davis was seen as weak, which is why so many people

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Shane Mage
I wouldn't take issue with the contempt displayed for the California electorate, the Lib-Dems, and Schwarzenegger personally. But. The one important progressive proposal to emerge from the entire recall circus came from... Schwarzenegger! He promised a program to provide hydrogen refueling

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Eugene Coyle
Peter Camejo put forward a number of progessive proposals, more important by far than anything put forward by anyone else. I am repeatedly surprised by the fascination many environmentalists have with the wonderful future world of hydrogen. Let's see, we build power plants to generate

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Michael Perelman
The Repug. energy plan has a new nuke to be built in Idaho, I believe, to help to make hydrogen -- so the Bushits are true environmentalists. On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 01:23:18PM -0700, Eugene Coyle wrote: Peter Camejo put forward a number of progessive proposals, more important by far than

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Devine, James
of course, putting it in Idaho would fit with the reactionary nature of much of the electorate there. A lot of white LAPD cops retire there so they can find similar people. It's called blue heaven. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://bellarmine.lmu.edu/~jdevine The

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Shane Mage
Eugene Coyle wrote: I am repeatedly surprised by the fascination many environmentalists have with the wonderful future world of hydrogen. Let's see, we build power plants to generate electricity to extract hydrogren, then ship, by pipe or other means the hydrogen to someplace else to make

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-13 Thread Mike Ballard
Hydrogen is useful because it is not a carbon based fuel. Global warming and other problems associated with air/water/Earth pollution can be dealt with in real substatial ways, if humans get wise and organise ways to use fuels which don't involve burning carbon based fuels for energy. I doubt

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-12 Thread Doug Henwood
As Eudora told me, the word Camejo was not found in this piece. Why, if this was a not-unadmirable uprising, as Marc Cooper argues, was there not more support for him (or Huffington)? Mike Davis' explanation - that it was a right white nativist anti-immigrant uprising fueled by talk shows - seems

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-12 Thread Devine, James
obviously, Cooper doesn't like Camejo, for whatever reason. I thought, however, that one of MC's points was that the progressive wing and ethnic-minority grassroots of the DP (which are not the object of MC's derision here) sat out because Gray Davis was so bad. And most of them -- and MC, I'd

Re: cooper on the Gray demise of the Lib-Dems

2003-10-12 Thread Michael Perelman
But the Chicano vote was pretty evenly divided. Arnold drew on the nativist impulses, but it was more complex. On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 05:48:53PM -0400, Doug Henwood wrote: As Eudora told me, the word Camejo was not found in this piece. Why, if this was a not-unadmirable uprising, as Marc