Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni
demerphq wrote: On 4/4/06, Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (*) Yes, I know that the core Perl distribution includes many modules, but ask any P5Porter and he'll answer you that the core is over-crowed and that all core modules that can be made dual-life should be

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Kennedy
Many module authors set a design objective of making their modules dependent only on core modules. This is a comment that I see on a regular basis. When I hear or read that, I always wonder if the author realised that core modules is something dependant on the Perl distribution version. For

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread David Landgren
demerphq wrote: On 4/4/06, Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (*) Yes, I know that the core Perl distribution includes many modules, but ask any P5Porter and he'll answer you that the core is over-crowed and that all core modules that can be made dual-life should be released on

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Kennedy
Who was it who was working on the global CPAN dependency graph, to figure out what module was dependent on what? Whatever became of that? I think hard numbers that stand on their own merits are about the only way to get new stuff into core. Let the early adopters try out non-CPAN low-level

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Tels
Moin, On Tuesday 04 April 2006 01:50, Tyler MacDonald wrote: Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, who still runs pre-5.8.x code deserves what they get. There are horrible bugs in older Perls, and I don't know why people still insist using insecure, buggy and

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Tels
Moin, On Tuesday 04 April 2006 18:30, Adam Kennedy wrote: Who was it who was working on the global CPAN dependency graph, to figure out what module was dependent on what? Whatever became of that? I think hard numbers that stand on their own merits are about the only way to get new stuff

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Tels
Moin, On Tuesday 04 April 2006 01:35, Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote: Tels wrote: Moin, Hello Tels, OTOH, who still runs pre-5.8.x code deserves what they get. There are horrible bugs in older Perls, and I don't know why people still insist using insecure, buggy and

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:32, Tels wrote: There is also the point that supporting ancient Perls means you can't use all the new, wonderfull features that were added to later versions of Perl, like our, warnings etc. This to me is the biggest problem. After 6 years, is it finally okay for

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standard locations)

2006-04-04 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* demerphq [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-04 08:05]: Personally i think the core is too big argument is a red-herring given that bandwidth is as cheap as it is these days. Adding a couple of modules to core would increase the rsynch time by what a second or two? It would suck up a couple of extra

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standard locations)

2006-04-04 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 12:16, A. Pagaltzis wrote: Is it any wonder that people say core is too big? Want more heresy? If the core contained more modules, there'd be even less possibility of getting managed hosts or hostile system administrators in really picky environments to install or

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Ricardo SIGNES
* H.Merijn Brand [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-04-04T10:40:39] And then still people make more of the same. Take Getopt::Long. A perfect and very functional module. Full of features, matured, and actively maintained. Now go look at CPAN, and see how many people either do not like it or find other

Re: Show-stopping Bug in Module::Install and the Havoc it Created

2006-04-04 Thread Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes
On Mon, Apr 03, 2006 at 10:32:12PM +1000, Adam Kennedy wrote: Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote: On Sat, Mar 11, 2006 at 10:20:29AM +0100, Tels wrote: B when it breaks, end-users cannot fix the problem for themselves, they need to bug the author and he has to release a new version. (Good luck

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread Adam Kennedy
chromatic wrote: On Tuesday 04 April 2006 10:32, Tels wrote: There is also the point that supporting ancient Perls means you can't use all the new, wonderfull features that were added to later versions of Perl, like our, warnings etc. This to me is the biggest problem. After 6 years, is

Re: Module requirements (was: Module::Build and installing in non-standardlocations)

2006-04-04 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 04 April 2006 21:57, Adam Kennedy wrote: Seeing as the worst support cases are about 10 years in a variety of countries and situations, I think that is what we should be aiming for for highly used CPAN modules. Which last time I checked is now 5.005.something So I aim there.