Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Michael G Schwern said: The problem I'm hearing over and over again is Test::Builder is spewing crap all over my screen and obscuring the first, real failure. So now that the problem is clearly stated, how do we solve it without making all that spew (which can be useful) totally

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Ovid
--- Salve J Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, a shot in the dark... 1. Redirect test output to a temporary log file (which should get cleaned up during make clean al.) 2. Let the harness be aware of this log file, and tail(1) it as things get written to it, printing whatever's

Re: [dtrace-discuss] DTrace in Perl: What probes should we have?

2008-01-13 Thread Adam Leventhal
On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 06:12:57PM -0800, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: My main beef with stack helpers is that they have to be executed inside the kernel and are subject to the usual DTrace restrictions. I would like to see a possibility of offloading more work to user space in a generic

Re: [dtrace-discuss] DTrace in Perl: What probes should we have?

2008-01-13 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Jan 12, 2008, at 12:26 PM, Adam Leventhal wrote: On Fri, Jan 11, 2008 at 06:12:57PM -0800, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: My main beef with stack helpers is that they have to be executed inside the kernel and are subject to the usual DTrace restrictions. I would like to see a possibility of

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Salve J Nilsen
Ovid said: --- Salve J Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, a shot in the dark... 1. Redirect test output to a temporary log file (which should get cleaned up during make clean al.) 2. Let the harness be aware of this log file, and tail(1) it as things get written to it, printing

Re: What should it's name be?

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Peters
Smylers wrote: Names normally descend in specificity from left to right, but Test::More::Even doesn't really make sense. How about Test::More::Still, Test::More::Stuff, Test::More::Crap, Test::More::More :) -- Michael Peters Developer Plus Three, LP

Re: What should it's name be?

2008-01-13 Thread Ovid
--- Smylers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ovid writes: Forget all the silly debates. I don't want to wait or sit around while we argue over this silly stuff. You mean you don't want flaming for the apostrofly in the subject? OK then, I won't mention it. Yeah, I saw that right after I

Fwd: CPAN Upload: O/OV/OVID/Test-Most-0.01.tar.gz

2008-01-13 Thread Ovid
Let me know if there are any problems. I'm sure there will be :) Cheers, Ovid --- PAUSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 18:07:17 +0100 Subject: CPAN Upload: O/OV/OVID/Test-Most-0.01.tar.gz To: Curtis Ovid Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: PAUSE [EMAIL PROTECTED] The uploaded

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Michael G Schwern
Matisse Enzer wrote: On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Matisse Enzer wrote: I just want to be able to run a test suite with a switch that makes the entire test run stop after the first failure is reported. Ok, it's nice to want things, but why do you want it?

Re: Fwd: CPAN Upload: O/OV/OVID/Test-Most-0.01.tar.gz

2008-01-13 Thread Ovid
--- Ovid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let me know if there are any problems. I'm sure there will be :) For those who can't wait, the docs are at http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/35381. I forgot to credit Smylers with the name in the CPAN version. This will be corrected in the next release.

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Matisse Enzer
On Jan 13, 2008, at 9:17 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Matisse Enzer wrote: On Jan 12, 2008, at 10:24 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote: Matisse Enzer wrote: I just want to be able to run a test suite with a switch that makes the entire test run stop after the first failure is reported. Ok,

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Michael Peters
Michael G Schwern wrote: Ok, why do you want to stop it as fast as possible when a failure occurs? I have a 45 minute test suite and I want to work on the first failure as soon as possible. I also have multiple desktops and am doing other things in another desktop, so I want to know as soon as

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 13 Jan 2008, at 18:06, Michael Peters wrote: Ok, why do you want to stop it as fast as possible when a failure occurs? I have a 45 minute test suite and I want to work on the first failure as soon as possible. I also have multiple desktops and am doing other things in another desktop,

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread chromatic
On Sunday 13 January 2008 04:27:38 Ovid wrote: --- Salve J Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Redirect test output to a temporary log file (which should get cleaned up during make clean al.) 2. Let the harness be aware of this log file, and tail(1) it as things get written to it,

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Michael G Schwern
Michael Peters wrote: Michael G Schwern wrote: Ok, why do you want to stop it as fast as possible when a failure occurs? I have a 45 minute test suite and I want to work on the first failure as soon as possible. I also have multiple desktops and am doing other things in another desktop,

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Matisse Enzer
On Jan 13, 2008, at 10:40 AM, Michael G Schwern wrote: You see how this is distinct from halt on first failure? It gives me a lot more room for different solutions that don't involve just cutting off all the following information. I do see (and respect) that difference, but stopping

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Adam Kennedy
Michael G Schwern wrote: Paul Johnson wrote: This is something that I too have asked for in the past. I've even hacked up my own stuff to do it, though obviously not as elegantly as you or Geoff. Here's my use case. I have a bunch of tests that generally pass. I hack something fundamental

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Michael G Schwern
Adam Kennedy wrote: This shouldn't be any more complicated than -g (where g in my case stands for goat as in feinting goat) Ok, I'll bite. Why a goat and why is it feinting? -- ...they shared one last kiss that left a bitter yet sweet taste in her mouth--kind of like throwing up after

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-14 00:35]: Why a goat and why is it feinting? Because http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5306665151934403100 Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/

Re: What should it's name be?

2008-01-13 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from Smylers # on Sunday 13 January 2008 04:29: Names normally descend in specificity from left to right, but Test::More::Even doesn't really make sense. I'm glad Test::More::Better got missed. I call dibs. --Eric -- So malloc calls a timeout and starts rummaging around the free chain,

Re: What should it's name be?

2008-01-13 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-14 03:15]: I'm glad Test::More::Better got missed. I call dibs. Test::More::Better::Bigger::Badder? Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis // http://plasmasturm.org/

Re: What should it's name be?

2008-01-13 Thread Christopher Laco
Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: * Eric Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-01-14 03:15]: I'm glad Test::More::Better got missed. I call dibs. Test::More::Better::Bigger::Badder? Regards, Test::More::Bigger::Longer::Uncut signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from chromatic # on Sunday 13 January 2008 10:28: How is this simpler than 'bail on fail' or 'die on fail'? It doesn't conflate output TAP results from tests with interpret TAP results from tests. Yes. -- I arise in the morning torn between a desire to improve the world and a desire to

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Sam Vilain
Matisse Enzer wrote: Ok, why do you want to stop it as fast as possible when a failure occurs? So I can more quickly focus on fixing that first test failure. I use make test 21 | less Works for individual tests too make perl -Mblib t/testname.t 21 | less Sam.

Re: What should it's name be?

2008-01-13 Thread Gabor Szabo
I know I am a bit late to the party but what about Test::Anything ? Gabor

Re: The spewing problem.

2008-01-13 Thread Matisse Enzer
On Jan 13, 2008, at 7:13 PM, Sam Vilain wrote: Matisse Enzer wrote: Ok, why do you want to stop it as fast as possible when a failure occurs? So I can more quickly focus on fixing that first test failure. I use make test 21 | less Works for individual tests too make perl -Mblib