Re: [RFC] Dual-lifing test.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Jerry D. Hedden
Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > If the functionality in test.pl (that does not currently > exist in other module) could be duplicated elsewhere using a > Test::Builder-based module, would there be a reason then to > maintain test.pl? Would it be better then to eliminate > test.pl entirely? Nicholas Clar

Re: [RFC] Dual-lifing test.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Jerry D. Hedden
Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > From what I can tell, there are well over a dozen > dual-lived modules that incorporate test.pl into their > distributions. Rather than continuing this trend, I would > like to propose turning it into a module and dual-lifing > it to CPAN. Nicholas Clark wrote: > Why are

Re: [RFC] Dual-lifing test.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Reini Urban
Nicholas Clark schrieb: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:54:29PM -0400, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: Jerry D. Hedden wrote: From what I can tell, there are well over a dozen dual-lived modules that incorporate test.pl into their distributions. Rather than continuing this trend, I would like to propose turn

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 1 Jul 2008, at 15:57, David Cantrell wrote: That's true - but it discourages people from experimenting with new UI ideas like, say, integrating tagging into s.c.o. It'd be great if people could download WWW::Search::CPAN::Org, install it locally and play with it. Fair point. Mind you, I d

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 02:42:55PM +0100, Andy Armstrong wrote: > On 1 Jul 2008, at 14:35, David Cantrell wrote: > >Even if you had the source code, it would still be up to him to add > >your patch to the copy of the code that runs that particular site. In > >reality, if people suggest things, a

Re: The Definitive CPANTs Summary

2008-07-01 Thread Andy Lester
On Jul 1, 2008, at 3:29 AM, Ovid wrote: 1. CPANTs was not only fun, but it was (and is) helpful. 2. "Non-kwalitee" metrics crept in. 3. Some people are upset about gaming. 4. Some people love gaming. 5. Many people can reasonably disagree on what "value" means. Note that nowhere in here

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread Andy Armstrong
On 1 Jul 2008, at 14:35, David Cantrell wrote: Even if you had the source code, it would still be up to him to add your patch to the copy of the code that runs that particular site. In reality, if people suggest things, and he thinks they're a good idea, then he does them. Especially if it's

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 08:48:28PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > Right. Which is another reason I've started up rethinking-cpan ... How do I subscribe to that list? -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age I apologize if I offended you personally, I intended to do it professional

Re: [RFC] Dual-lifing test.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 09:31:22AM -0400, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > If the functionality in test.pl (that does not currently > exist in other module) could be duplicated elsewhere using a > Test::Builder-based module, would there be a reason then to > maintain test.pl? Would it be better then to e

Re: great search.cpan.org ideas

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 06:46:08PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from Paul Fenwick > # on Monday 30 June 2008 17:17: > > Let's pretend you're J. Average Hacker. You've popped over to CPAN... > > http://search.cpan.org/~sartak/Moose-0.51/lib/Moose.pm > Let's pretend you're J. Average Hacker. You

Re: The evil t/pod.t recap

2008-07-01 Thread David Cantrell
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 04:27:17PM -0700, Eric Wilhelm wrote: > # from David Cantrell > >> If you truly have *the* Evil Cargo-Culted t/pod.t (which has been > >> previously discussed here and elsewhere), it fails spuriously for > >> some users. > >Is this The Evil? > >http://drhyde.cvs.sourceforge.

Re: [RFC] Dual-lifing test.pl

2008-07-01 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:54:29PM -0400, Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > Jerry D. Hedden wrote: > > From what I can tell, there are well over a dozen dual-lived > > modules that incorporate test.pl into their distributions. > > Rather than continuing this trend, I would like to propose > > turning it int

Re: Making CPAN ratings easy (was Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice)

2008-07-01 Thread Spiros Denaxas
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 9:09 AM, Eric Wilhelm <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > # from Rick Fisk > # on Tuesday 01 July 2008 00:09: > >>Number of downloads - >>perhaps this could be compared to various release versions of the >>module to keep it pertinent. > > You can't count the downloads (we don't

The Definitive CPANTs Summary

2008-07-01 Thread Ovid
He's what I saw in the thread. 1. CPANTs was not only fun, but it was (and is) helpful. 2. "Non-kwalitee" metrics crept in. 3. Some people are upset about gaming. 4. Some people love gaming. 5. Many people can reasonably disagree on what "value" means. Too many people (including me!) forget

Re: Making CPAN ratings easy (was Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice)

2008-07-01 Thread Eric Wilhelm
# from Rick Fisk # on Tuesday 01 July 2008 00:09: >Number of downloads - >    perhaps this could be compared to various release versions of the >module to keep it pertinent. You can't count the downloads (we don't have any control over or feedback from the mirrors the way sourceforge does.) See

Re: Making CPAN ratings easy (was Re: CPAN Ratings and the problem of choice)

2008-07-01 Thread Rick Fisk
Paul Fenwick wrote: [ CC'ed to rethinking-cpan, since I assume it's halfway relevant. If not, let me know, and I'll get out of your face. ] Greg Sabino Mullane wrote: Why are people not rating modules? Because rating modules is a monumental pain in the arse. == The CPAN Ratings Way == Le