On Tuesday 28 October 2008 14:12:08 Rick Fisk wrote:
> CPANTS looks more like a pet peeve list wrapped
> up in a pseudo game where "playing" results in a lose-lose for the
> developer.
That's a very different problem though, one which has produced a situation
where a buggy release of a module in
On Tue, 2008-10-28 at 19:09 +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
>
> Yes, I'd like to avoid ad hominem attacks. This is a basic part of making
> any negative-feedback service into a respectable one.
>
> Feel free to suggest a better title. (I won't, because I think there's a
> motivational value in k
On Oct 28, 2008, at 1:09 PM, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
Feel free to suggest a better title. (I won't, because I think
there's a motivational value in keeping it as it is.
Salve, I have to ask you to please look at CPANTS and this discussion
in general from eyes other than your own. Your deri
* Salve J Nilsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-28T14:54:07]
> David Cantrell said:
> >On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:40:03PM +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
> >
> >>I think _some_ kind of shaming should be allowed. Carrots are good, but
> >>sticks work too when applied in a respectable fashion.
> >
> >They
* Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008-10-28T13:03:24]
> >has-test-pod and has-test-pod-coverage ones (if you find that any of my
> >modules meet those metrics, please file a bug report.)
>
> Oh, come on Eric, I'm proud of TP (which is really brian's) and TPC!
>
Hey, I love those modules... bu
David Cantrell said:
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:40:03PM +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
I think _some_ kind of shaming should be allowed. Carrots are good, but
sticks work too when applied in a respectable fashion.
They might, but a "hall of shame" ain't respectable. If I were on the
list, then
chromatic said:
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 10:54:33 Salve J Nilsen wrote:
- Salve, worried that the next step is to paint pink ponies and rainbows
all over CPAN.
Hey look, a slippery slope argument combined with the false dilemma
fallacy!
Yes. Good catch! Happy to see someone's c
Rick Fisk said:
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 19:17 +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
We're still talking about a marketing/visibility bug here. Don't you
agree it's better to fix that instead?
You think that it is important that the CPANTS team makes sure that
everyone knows there is a web page dedicate
On Tuesday 28 October 2008 10:54:33 Salve J Nilsen wrote:
> - Salve, worried that the next step is to paint pink ponies and rainbows
> all over CPAN.
Hey look, a slippery slope argument combined with the false dilemma fallacy!
Salve, there really are more possibilities in the world bes
Andy Lester said:
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
There's nothing random or abusing here, just feedback on Kwalitee
comparisons between modules. If this feedback hurts your (or anyone
elses) tender little feelings, then too bad. A psychologist would
remind you not to equate
On Oct 28, 2008, at 11:57 AM, Eric Wilhelm wrote:
And perhaps a survey on which metrics developers think are good or
not.
My "hall of shame" for the kwalitee metrics includes at least the
has-test-pod and has-test-pod-coverage ones (if you find that any of
my
modules meet those metrics, pl
# from Rick Fisk
# on Tuesday 28 October 2008 08:50:
>Has anyone actually produced metrics regarding the movement caused by
>CPANTS? ie; When the first 'hall of shame' was produced, how many
>authors distributions were on that list and how many moved off the
> list? What metrics exist to show the
On Mon, 2008-10-27 at 19:17 +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
> chromatic wrote:
> > On Monday 27 October 2008 10:45:46 Salve J Nilsen wrote:
> >
> >>> Remember, this is not a project designed only to say "This code sucks."
> >>> Its intent is to encourage people to improve their code. My code
> >>> d
On Oct 28, 2008, at 05:29, Ovid wrote:
Just a quick cultural point: over here in the UK, "cunts" is a very
common term and while insulting, is nowhere near the "OH MY GOD WHAT
DID HE JUST SAY?" level of unacceptability in the US. Since many
reading this list are in the US, they might have
On Oct 27, 2008, at 7:40 AM, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
Carrots are good, but sticks work too when applied in a respectable
fashion.
Not with volunteers they don't.
Carrots and sticks make sense when you're talking about a horse that's
harnessed to your wagon. Try a stick with someone who is
On Oct 27, 2008, at 1:17 PM, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
There's nothing random or abusing here, just feedback on Kwalitee
comparisons between modules. If this feedback hurts your (or anyone
elses) tender little feelings, then too bad. A psychologist would
remind you not to equate critique of yo
--- On Tue, 28/10/08, David Cantrell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> They might, but a "hall of shame" ain't
> respectable. If I were on the
> list, then it would just make me think "cpants is run
> by a bunch of
> cunts, so i'll just ignore them".
Just a quick cultural point: over here in the UK,
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:40:03PM +0100, Salve J Nilsen wrote:
> I think _some_ kind of shaming should be allowed. Carrots are good, but
> sticks work too when applied in a respectable fashion.
They might, but a "hall of shame" ain't respectable. If I were on the
list, then it would just make
--- On Tue, 28/10/08, Gabor Szabo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On one hand IMHO the hall of shame was not really a good
> idea but I
> think it was really thought
> as something we could laugh at.
It's also worth remembering that Kwalitee is not Quality. Dominus and Damian
both put out some awf
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Salve J Nilsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> chromatic wrote:
>>
>> On Monday 27 October 2008 05:40:03 Salve J Nilsen wrote:
>>
>>> I think _some_ kind of shaming should be allowed. Carrots are good, but
>>> sticks work too when applied in a respectable fashion.
>>
>
chromatic wrote:
On Monday 27 October 2008 05:40:03 Salve J Nilsen wrote:
I think _some_ kind of shaming should be allowed. Carrots are good, but
sticks work too when applied in a respectable fashion.
But taking down the hall of shame smells awefully like the chinese press
rules ("We are onl
chromatic wrote:
On Monday 27 October 2008 10:45:46 Salve J Nilsen wrote:
Remember, this is not a project designed only to say "This code sucks."
Its intent is to encourage people to improve their code. My code
doesn't magically get better when someone finds a bug. It magically
gets better wh
chromatic wrote:
On Thursday 23 October 2008 11:25:05 Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes wrote:
On Thu, October 23, 2008 10:37 am, chromatic wrote:
http://cpants.perl.org/highscores/hall_of_shame
That looks sorted by kwalitee and author. If we're shaming people, author
name shouldn't be a factor. Cou
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