On 23 Aug 2011, at 09:54, Mark Keating wrote:
> At this moment I am free in that period and as always willing to help
> organise/promote. As soon as BooK/Andy agree I will start the announcement
> process. I am hoping this year to make more contacts with the other OS
> languages and promote the
On 23 Aug 2011, at 00:58, Andy Armstrong wrote:
> Equally happy to do London - there shouldn't be too much Olympic related
> mayhem in April.
By which I mean to say that I'm happy to host it in London in either 2012 or
2013 :)
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e last times: when do you have time around April? (Traditionally, the QA
> hackathon is from Saturday to Monday and avoids Easter.)
I'm happy with Paris.
Equally happy to do London - there shouldn't be too much Olympic related mayhem
in April.
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Each tram has its own stop and there are maps of the layout of the stops.
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indstorms out. :-)
Sounds like some pre-hackathon hacking is in order... :)
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.pm from upgrading likewise.
>
> I suspect it might be due to a bug in Getopt::Long as another 5.6.2
> with upgraded Getopt::Long passes the tests with no problems.
Sorry for the delay. I released Test::Harness 3.23 last night - it's on the
mirrors now. That should fix the problem.
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hopeful that I can make it.
>
> Likewise. Really hope I can make it this year :-)
I hope so too Adrian :)
The dates are fine for me, thanks Lars.
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lans to host it the source on github
> (and elsewhere) which should make it easy to help out. Thanks all.
Thanks Fergal :)
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eep making this
> mistake from some reason.
Oops - sorry Shlomi. I think hands used to typing English do that automatically
- I nearly did it again :)
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to snub Schlomi's kind offer but I'm a big Test::Deep fan and would
be happy to take it on.
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rness-3.22.tar.gz
>
> The following report has been written by the PAUSE namespace indexer.
> Please contact modu...@perl.org if there are any open questions.
> Id
>
> User: ANDYA (Andy Armstrong)
> Distribution file: Test-Harness-3.22.tar.gz
>Numb
The normal routine is perl Makefile.PL && make && make test && make distclean
&& perl NotBuild.PL && ./Build test && ./Build testauthor x ActiveState,
Strawberry and sigwin - recent Perls in each case.
If not I promise to get to it before the end of Thursday UK time.
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On 15 Jul 2010, at 22:20, David E. Wheeler wrote:
> What's your question? (Andy's probably asleep, given that he lives in GMT.)
Here now :)
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On 15 Jul 2010, at 18:06, Andy Lester wrote:
> But yeah, if this is just a matter of 'ext=s+', then who can make that change
> and push it out?
I'll take a look at it this weekend :)
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n a flat by then - and there's a spare room you're welcome to stay
in if that appeals...
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er
> information at the [hackathon wiki](http://2010.qa-hackathon.org/qa2010/wiki).
Yes please. I'd like to (finally) make Test::Harness handle nested TAP from
start to finish.
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new changes.
Yeah, they should be moved I think. I didn't move yours because I
assumed you'd want it under your own name on Github :)
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On 29 Jun 2009, at 21:21, Gabor Szabo wrote:
When running tests with prove -a file.tar.gz it nicely creates the
archive file
but if the test bails out the archive file is not created at all.
Is this a feature or a bug ?
Bug I'd say...
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pport nested TAP, though.
The current implementation hard-codes the indent.
Yeah, that sounds sensible.
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It's part of the spec (at
least loosely) so it will be supported going forward.
Yeah, it doesn't currently support arbitrary diagnostic blocks though
- which would be my fault :)
I can probably make a release that does within a few days if that's
the kind of thing that Ga
YAML blocks though - so if you can figure
out how to emit them you'll be good to go.
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ng to
return a pre-filled data structure?
That sounds like it would work, yeah. I can add it to my list for the
QA hackathon in Birmingham next weekend unless anyone else gets to it
first ;)
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e, but I'm not convinced. Thoughts?
Yeah, I think that's right. Maybe we need the option to have a rules
file that can express more complex rules?
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to receive the TAP?
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something about the option proliferation that seems to
afflict us. That's not your fault of course :)
You you should probably subscribe to
http://www.hexten.net/mailman/listinfo/tapx-dev
also.
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On 20 Feb 2009, at 16:52, David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Feb 20, 2009, at 3:18 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
RENUMBER
Won't that fuck up existing users of the library?
Yeah, I was making a BASIC joke :)
The description for verbose should really be "show the raw TAP
stream".
Pa
raid.
Schwern: I think you have commit? David: you're welcome to have a
commit bit if you don't already.
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On 19 Feb 2009, at 20:01, Michael G Schwern wrote:
Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 18 Feb 2009, at 22:44, Michael G Schwern wrote:
The thing which most takes advantage of this is TODO tests. They
send
their
failure diagnostics to STDOUT so the user is not spammed with
passing
test
information
lo last year. It's status is in
limbo. http://testanything.org/wiki/index.php/TAP_logging_syntax
OK - let's move on that then.
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n that all us Perl hackers are used to seeing it show up
anyway, even if it is in STDERR. No?
Yeah, I think you're right.
I suspect nobody's noticed the lack of diagnostics because diagnostics
on STDOUT are currently rare. Thanks for exercising this :)
I'll make the change.
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it's structured data
rather than just "data".
+0 - in the sense that it's fine by me - but I can still imagine a
better noun even if I can't think what it is :)
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On 11 Feb 2009, at 12:38, Andy Armstrong wrote:
There are no TAPx:: modules there except the intermediate
TAPx::Parser
which is now TAP::Parser. But there are some TAP:: modules. That's
why
I ask.
I'd say TAP::Data is absolutely fine.
But, of course, Ovid is right about ::Da
are some TAP:: modules. That's why
I ask.
I'd say TAP::Data is absolutely fine.
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I'm not convinced.
Hmm. No, I don't reckon that's valid. I'll take a look.
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On 15 Oct 2008, at 14:09, Michael G Schwern wrote:
0.82 accidentally shipped with a dependency on Mouse. We're only
using that
for experiments.
I was just about to ask about that. Still, I now have Mouse on all the
machines I've upgraded - which is a good thing :)
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On 25 Sep 2008, at 09:50, Ovid wrote:
So I don't know who vpit is, how to contact this person, or which
version of Module::Build this is (so the line number might not match
mine (v0.2808)).
http://search.cpan.org/~vpit/
:)
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On 22 Sep 2008, at 05:08, David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Sep 20, 2008, at 00:29, Barbie wrote:
See http://use.perl.org/~barbie/journal/37496 for all the gory
details.
Barbie++ # Thank you!
Seconded. Thanks so much!
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gs people would want?
I'd lean towards epoch for easier comparison on SQLite.
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re currently up to rev 1206, 3.00 was rev 788)
Ah. I see. Here's a patch, then:
Applied, thanks. And yes, you're right, we've got doc-rot in places :)
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On 11 Sep 2008, at 17:21, David E. Wheeler wrote:
On Sep 11, 2008, at 05:09, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 8 Aug 2008, at 20:46, David E. Wheeler wrote:
I've started fiddling with the stdout option to TAP::Harness. It's
nice, although it doesn't capture everything. I mean, I think
On 11 Sep 2008, at 15:19, Barbie wrote:
[snip good stuff about test reports]
Thank you! :)
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STDOUT appears to be to set verbosity to -2
-2 really quiet Suppress everything but the tests summary.
-3 silent Suppress everything
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f
course, be great to see the error rate go down - but the current (low
IME) error rate doesn't significantly impact on their utility to me.
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 23:37, Michael G Schwern wrote:
What IETF list?
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tap
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and
using a structured representation increases the chances that common
usage will emerge. Cowpaths to pave.
I favour JSON because it's the simplest solution that fits those
criteria.
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ust relieved it
wasn't some debug /I'd/ left lying around - so thanks :)
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align
--tuples-only
--pset pager=
--pset null=[NULL]
--set ON_ERROR_ROLLBACK=1
--file
);
print join ' ', @command, $/;
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em is
probably bad.
FYI, when I run both .t Perl and .s pgTAP tests, It doesn't strip
them:
Yeah, there was logic in there so it doesn't strip extensions if you
have more than one distinct extension.
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On 21 Aug 2008, at 17:57, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
Ovid (and I) would like it to be JSON, pending any better idea (that
we agree
is better).
I'm in the JSON camp too.
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o have the extension in the report, so I can just
past the listed failing test and copy either into 'prove -vl ' or
'vim '
(or both..)
I just committed r1164 of Test::Harness that does just that :)
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I'd rather just see the extensions in all cases.
Aesthetically I'm very happy about the leader dots, thanks :)
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On 18 Aug 2008, at 11:50, Ovid wrote:
Thoughts?
+1
I prefer JSON aesthetically apart from any technical considerations. I
don't actually find YAML all that readable. To programmers' eyes JSON
looks more like code - presumably because it is :)
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s with people is the
better worse.
I'm in favour for better user interfaces; I don't think it's currently
perfect. I just don't like either jumping out of my terminal session
unexpectedly or having to go looking for a new window that's popped up
somewhere.
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uld prefer
that to
take focus rather than needing to go activate it. Would you rather
scrollback to read the diagnostics in your terminal?
Is that so odd? Emphatically YES - I would rather scrollback in the
terminal than have random stuff opening elsewhere. Always! :)
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On 29 Jul 2008, at 16:30, Andy Lester wrote:
He may have created it his version on his own, for all I know.
Well not /entirely/ on his own :P
(oh and sorry for the thread hijack Ovid - yes, your patch is a great
idea - I've wanted a similar thing often, thanks)
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edits then.
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On 29 Jul 2008, at 16:21, Ovid wrote:
If you called them todo_start and todo_end it'd be
compatible with the
PHP version[1] (ducks)
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Test.php-0.12/Test.php
Holy crap. I didn't know we had PHP code on the CPAN :)
Don't start... :)
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HP version[1] (ducks)
[1] http://search.cpan.org/~avar/Test.php-0.12/Test.php
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done like PHP: Programs create
big ugly files and then they get diffed. No granularity.
I'm going to convert them to emit TAP, so we can use Test::Harness
and other standard tools to analyze the results.
The colonization continues.
Cool! What language are the tests written in?
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I'll apply these in the next couple of hours, thanks.
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On 2 Jul 2008, at 21:52, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
His email is bustified.
http://rafb.net/p/vD8hRk81.html
FWIW, I get the same results.
Yeah, it hasn't worked since prove stopped using Test::Harness (it now
uses TAP::Harness) so all of 3.xx. Fixing it now.
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source is
available here:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/cpan-search/
Tuits permitting I shall.
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I've twice started to work on a replacement just so I can release
something that people can actually hack on.
There's a real need for CPAN's primary UI to evolve as CPAN grows but
the rate at which it can evolve is limited by the non-availability of
the source.
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ple
have successfully signed up in the last couple of days. Mail me off-
list with the email address you'd like to use and I'll subscribe you.
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atter that preserves the raw TAP?
- If so, how can I use an own formatter from "./Build test"?
- Or would I write/subclass a complete own harness for my purposes?
TAP::Parser accepts a 'spool' option which should be a filehandle to
which raw TAP can be spooled. Does that help?
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{
return $self->ok(description => 'Unknown TAP token', ok => 0);
}
return $result;
}
[1] http://search.cpan.org/dist/TAP-Filter
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at your server?
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tly thinks it's being tested.
I think that behaviour was cargo culted from Test::Harness without too
much thought. I don't imagine that it would cause problems to set
HARNESS_ACTIVE only when actually running a test.
Can anyone think of reasons why it'd be problematic to cha
On 6 May 2008, at 19:31, nadim khemir wrote:
Once we know numbers and have a better idea of who's attending I'll
volunteer for some duty or other.
What are you good at?
Wisecracks mainly :)
Seriously, I'll fit in with whatever needs to be done - both hacking
and domestic ch
On 6 May 2008, at 11:49, nadim khemir wrote:
Rapid feedback please, Nadim.
I'm in :)
Once we know numbers and have a better idea of who's attending I'll
volunteer for some duty or other. As long as I don't have to clean the
latrines...
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erly in my system .
For me, I am getting respond saying command not Found
[ssenapatiX]$ prove hello.t
prove: Command not found.
Please respond , i need ur expert insight and guidance
What does
$ perl -MTest::Harness -le 'print $Test::Harness::VERSION'
do?
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On 31 Mar 2008, at 16:18, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Understood. Speaking of the venue - could you add it to the map
please? :)
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Locations
Now with added Google Earth network link - because it was more fun
that what I was
- could you add it to the map
please? :)
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Locations
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On 31 Mar 2008, at 16:12, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 31 Mar 2008, at 15:58, David Golden wrote:
For those attending the Oslo hackathon, please see the new schedule
page:
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Schedule
I've just added a map page:
http:/
x.php/Editing_Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Locations
If I get time I'll turn whatever locations have accumulated there by
Thursday morning into a KML file.
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Pub grub, not too expensive
More details later on the wiki...
Excellent, thanks Salve :)
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and meet up and depart the Anker?
I'll already be there so I'll fit in with everyone else's arrival times.
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and let me know. (And if any
locals want to play tour guide, that's great too!)
I'm getting in on Thursday night - so I'll be around. Just planning to
wander around taking pictures but could be persuaded by something more
structured :)
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On 28 Mar 2008, at 07:43, Michael G Schwern wrote:
I put Test::Builder 2 up as a topic for the Oslo hackathon.
http://perl-qa.hexten.net/wiki/index.php/Oslo_QA_Hackathon_2008_:_Topics#Test
::Builder_2
Good man!
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n),
Yup, got those down already :)
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t would be a great thing to work on.
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On 26 Mar 2008, at 01:07, Michael G Schwern wrote:
* Do we have one? Andy, can we use hex-ten?
Yup, sure. I can also do any hosting that might become necessary.
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As far as testing and QA is concerned please feel free to ask
questions here once you have a more specific idea of what you need to
achieve.
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... That is quite not good :)
That sounds like an organisational problem that's independent of the
choice of language.
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the golfs, and the perl haiqus it's a pretty
interesting language :).
I would use JUnit and NUnit for larger project, I don't know if perl
could handle it...
Heh. Perl is used for big things too you know :)
What do you suspect that Perl would be unable to handle?
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tests.
If you have a specific testing problem why not explain it here and
we'll see if we can recommend anything?
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On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:36, Gergely Brautigam wrote:
Heh :) Alrighty then :) sooo if I would have a perl based test
environment, then I could ask questions about it here, right?
Yes, absolutely :)
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On 25 Mar 2008, at 10:23, Gergely Brautigam wrote:
I've been reading the letters for a while now... This group is
related to Perl modul testing, or testing with perl? I can't deside :)
More or less anything that benefits quality :)
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ve'
and App::Prove I submitted to Andy Armstrong. Needed so I can push
forward with selling a new testing approach to the Parrot project.
Yup, fine. Can do :)
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k = $p->failed;
$ok and $todo seem to me like fairly useful values, so please,
can we have accessors for these too?
You're right - they're currently a pretty perverse set of accessors :)
I'll add a more convenient interface for the next release.
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/local/bin/perl and rebuild
eveything, including Apache and mod_perl. Seems safer than dicking
around with the system Perl.
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and TAP::Parser installed.
You need to delete those old versions of TAP::Harness and TAP::Parser.
TAP::* and Test::Harness should be the same versions.
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On 5 Mar 2008, at 20:21, David Cantrell wrote:
I'm with chromatic on this one. Doing that will make your brain hurt.
Especially if you do it to subroutines/methods that you create on the
fly with AUTOLOAD. I wish I'd never dunnit.
I wasn't actually advocating the pract
with parsing it though does it? Although presumably
it contains a POD6 parser that could be repurposed.
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OD parsing tool. What could possibly go wrong?
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ve a plugin as
David Golden himself uses to extract WikiText and convert it to actual
POD. Unfortunately, the POD6 to POD5 translator was not written yet.
I missed the POD6 thing. Is there are public grammar anywhere? I only
see it mentioned in Perl 6 Design Minutes.
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llows text after that form of =for.
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On 5 Mar 2008, at 18:59, chromatic wrote:
On Wednesday 05 March 2008 10:52:11 Andy Armstrong wrote:
I wonder how you'd tag a subroutine that can be called as a method or
a regular subroutine.
:horrible_evil_delete_this_entire_file_to_be_safe
/me makes notes.
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additional semantic information. But
yeah, it's unlikely to happen overnight :)
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bose but
already existing is a plus :)
I wonder how you'd tag a subroutine that can be called as a method or
a regular subroutine. Is
=begin :method|sub
legal?
I can't see a definition of what characters are allowed in an
identifier in perlpodspec or whether garbage is allowed a the end of a
=begin line.
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