Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-09 Thread Robert
Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:07:02AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Why would they stop uploading? How would they, the new uploaders, even know about CPANTS? It's not like uploaded files automatically

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-09 Thread Nik Clayton
Chromatic wrote: Maybe the problem is that CPANTS as it exists now measures some metrics better measured on the developer side, not the installer side. It's handy to run the POD coverage tests as the developer of a module, but it's not that interesting for the person installing the module to

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-07 Thread David Golden
chromatic wrote: Some kwalitee metrics are useful in both places and that's fine. I just wonder if some of PANTS should be more private. I think much of the problem could be solved by separating the metrics from the scoring. If CPANTS just gave the results of various tests so I could look

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-07 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 03:13:31PM +0300, G?bor Szab? wrote: On 9/7/05, David Golden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a) all tests are relevant b) all tests matter equally (are equally weighted) c) higher score means higher quality The scores are available in the database. There's no

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Andrew Savige
--- Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23 items on the checklist? I am not the one to answer this, but I'm curious to know where you are coming from. Is it:

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Adam Kennedy
Andy Lester wrote: Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23 items on the checklist? I thought the same thing, until kwalitee turned competative. Now we have a situation in which a large number

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Richard Clamp
On 6 Sep 2005, at 08:10, Adam Kennedy wrote: So once you find out DBIx::Wango only passed 7 out of 23, it will go into the author's average, and if he ever looks presumably the competative spirit will kick in and he's fix some of the problems That's assuming that everyone is competitive.

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Andy Lester
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 05:10:40PM +1000, Adam Kennedy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: So once you find out DBIx::Wango only passed 7 out of 23, it will go into the author's average, and if he ever looks presumably the competative spirit will kick in and he's fix some of the problems But will

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Andy Lester
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12:43AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If it serves no purpose for you, ignore it and go on with life; as apposed to spending email list cycles on a CPANTS-is-bad-why-are-we-doing-this diatribe. It's not as simple as just ignore it if the

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12:43AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If it serves no purpose for you, ignore it and go on with life; as apposed to spending email list cycles on a CPANTS-is-bad-why-are-we-doing-this diatribe. It's not as simple as

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread David Golden
Andy Lester wrote: Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23 items on the checklist? I don't have any problem with someone proposing or running these kinds of automated test. It's helpful

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Andy Lester
On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:07:02AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Why would they stop uploading? How would they, the new uploaders, even know about CPANTS? It's not like uploaded files automatically return a scathing email and an html response page that says your

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Tels
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Moin, On Tuesday 06 September 2005 09:10, Adam Kennedy wrote: Andy Lester wrote: Why are we worrying about these automated kwalitee tests? What will happen once we find that DBIx::Wango has only passed 7 of these 23 items on the checklist? I thought

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread chromatic
On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 09:12 -0400, Christopher H. Laco wrote: I really don't get why the people (not specifically you) who don't agree with, don't care for, don't care about CPANTs or more CPANTS tests spend all this effort going off on why it's such a bad thing and why it shouldn't be

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Andrew Savige
--- Andy Lester wrote: But will the author actually care? Will the author even know this exists? Are you going to send email to Bob and say Hey, Bob, you only passed 7 of 23 things? What's Bob going to say in return? I see a couple of options: Ah, now I see where you are coming from. I

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! On Wed, Sep 07, 2005 at 05:31:37AM +1000, Andrew Savige wrote: flame wars. Best, at least for now, is to simply publish some kwalitee metrics as an optional aid to enthusiastic CPAN authors. If they prove good and useful, they will naturally become better known. Some of my recent

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread chromatic
On Wed, 2005-09-07 at 05:31 +1000, Andrew Savige wrote: I feel pushily promoting kwalitee metrics will do more harm than good. And I agree with chromatic that officially endorsing any particular kwalitee metric is a mistake that is likely to cause unproductive flame wars. It's not that