Re: pluralization idea that keeps bugging me

). -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418

Re: pluralization idea that keeps bugging me

of complexity as Filter::Simple, except with much finer control and more correctness. I'm not the best person to answer this though. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpEFwVt1e30B.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: pluralization idea that keeps bugging me

interpolations as things stand? E.g., is there a way to add meaning to backslashed characters in a string that would normally lack meaning? You can subclass the grammar and change everything. Theoretically that's a yes =) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org

Re: PERL arrays

by this far using some online tutorial. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgp3Ah41oHUYd.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Should a dirhandle be a filehandle-like iterator?

with it and make it bloat. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpBdBGiCHX3R.pgp Description: PGP signature

Interrogating closures

the closed over variables would be cool. This keeps things concise and lightweight, but does add the ability to inspect (via a well defined api) what a closure is encapsulating, etc. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpOAFxEttvsl.pgp Description

Re: Interrogating closures

{ } } Conversely, I'd also like to be able to do Closure, which is a subrole of Code with a constructor. Or rather, an instantiated Code is a proto of Closure ;-) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgp65NtyIUkFl.pgp Description: PGP signature

Closures, compile time, pad protos

a new sequence. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpUCL8XSaAwR.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Closures, compile time, pad protos

On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 18:55:15 +0100, Juerd wrote: Yuval Kogman skribis 2006-11-22 16:01 (+0200): my $x ::= 3; sub foo { say ++$x }; Why would you be allowed to ++ this $x? It's bound to an rvalue! Perhaps my $x ::= BEGIN { Scalar.new( :value(3) ) } What we

Re: Trying to make a new operator

the declaration further down the file. s/use/parse/; -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpecCgUDpDGS.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: CGI Session management (was Re: the CGI.pm in Perl 6)

them all into CGI.pm will just make a mess. It'd work much better as mixin plugins of some sort. I'd be happy to discuss my conclusions from redesigning the Catalyst session handling, if you like. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpVLxZTi14RK.pgp

Re: synopses on smoke server

server. Another is written in Jifty: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Chimps/ It's further along, but is a little more specific to BP's workflow. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpyHr3SZiGXL.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: synopses on smoke server

the Anna integration with the repo and all that was the tailored precisely for you guys. I stand corrected =) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgp2Etmw71YFR.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: return Types: what are the enforcement details?

is a warning or an error. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgprdGNAViO2E.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Curious corner cases concerning closure cloning

is like a declaration putting the closure in some global, and doesn't actually happen at runtime. Otoh for 1,2 - $x { state $y = $x; END { say $y } } Might work -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418

Re: request addition of immutable Blob type

What about str? Or is it called buf now? -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgp4nJlEWZWEj.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: weak roles

make you do. Of course, we could use the Email::Abstract interface as a base- class to all email related modules, but you know that this wouldn't work for the Perl community... Base classes, as opposed to roles, don't work well at *all* for these types of scenarios. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL

Re: weak roles

is invoking the methods must explicitly say which behavior it prefers. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpx3ynOr3Awk.pgp Description: PGP signature

Type annotation on expressions

is shiny but everybody wants the colon: foo( ( $x :: Moose ) ); If we do find something (please ignore the fact that :: is probably not going to be the syntax), are these two the same? my $x = ( $y :: Moose ); my Moose $x = $y; -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: Type annotation on expressions

On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:12:11 +0100, Daniel Hulme wrote: I may be in a little world of my own here, but isn't this what 'as' is supposed to do? foo($x as Moose); as is a method invocation not a type annotation... It's related, but not the same (last I heard) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL

Re: weak roles

, but again, hard to encourage on a wide scale. Oh, and hello everyone. Long time no see :-) Welcome back =) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgppRdobmMO5g.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Type annotation on expressions

Actually this particular example is just like coercion, and it's a bad one sorry. It's much more relevant for: fun( $x.foo :: Bar ); in order to annotate the return type for a call's context even if the 'fun' function's signature accepts Any. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: weak roles

On Tue, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:35:30 +, Luke Palmer wrote: On 8/8/06, Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I personally prefer delegates for almost any design dillema, but most CPAN modules aren't that way. Well, what way are they? Usually not polymorphic at all. We have the capabilities

Re: weak roles

role so errors will be caught quickly. It is also annotation-agnostic. Hmm... Are the 'adapts' things actual class bodies? Like an inner class? -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgplmImaQgApM.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Type annotation on expressions

it is going to fail only if we consider the return type http://colabti.de/irclogger/irclogger_log/perl6?date=2006-08-08,Tuesel=359#l545 for more discussion. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgplKfIqh5Ipr.pgp Description: PGP signature

weak roles

. they're more classes to write 3. they're harder to use Consequentially we have fairly few delegate based APIs for these problems (Email:Abstract is the only one I know). -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpzS1FVkV3jl.pgp Description: PGP

underscores in the core lib

my @deep = $meta.compute_all_attributes; # deep, also from superclasses Than my @attrs = $meta.attrs; my @deep = $meta.compattrs; -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpPWBBdd6XLw.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!) -- Explained

to use Data::Compare, or to overload either == or eq, neither of which is a perfect fit. I have to catch my flight, so I'll explain more later. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpjrJLdJQ8jS.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: optimizing with === immutable comparitor

allow that, but it has nothing to do with the language it might not even be faster. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpMbWueVorC2.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!) -- Explained

into =:= (a trivial case) and stops. ( 1, 2.0, 3 ) === ( 1,2,3 ) True or false? false More imprtantly, how do I tell perl what I mean? The best I can think of is: [] (@a »==« @b) Vs [] (@a »eq« @b) Neither - it's on the natural types. If the types are different it's != -- Yuval

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)

comparison. There is no need to try to generate some kind of unique numerical .id for arbitrarily complex objects. That creates a mess - sometimes objects compare themselves based on their value, and sometimes based on their containing slot. These are very different semantics. -- Yuval Kogman

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!) -- Explained

feel to it 4. =:= is rarely useful IMHO, so you can just type variable($x) =:= variable($y) Ciao -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpnFt3Yt2IXy.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Run time dispatch on ~~

that will actually run the ~~ for me, in some way, and i'd like 100% compatibility. Also, sometimes i am matching on behalf of my caller, this is very common in dispatch algorithms, or things like tree visitors: my @list = $tree.filter_children( $match ); # very generic and useful -- Yuval

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!) -- Explained

On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 12:50:19 -0700, Larry Wall wrote: On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 09:32:08PM +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote: : [1] My preferred ergonomics: : : 1. eqv goes away : 2. what was eqv is renamed to === : 3. === becomes =:=, which has a constant feel to it : 4

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!) -- Explained

=== ~$y } -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpA33D2068QT.pgp Description: PGP signature

===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)

, and it could cache checksums and it could do whatever - please don't bring this up as a performance issue, it is one of correctness and ergonomics that must be resolved first. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpVx2Q88D1JG.pgp Description: PGP

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)

without introducing new complexity to the objects being compared as strings/numbers. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpNhYctTCtP5.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)

be true, the fourth should be false, the fifth should be false, and the sixth should be false. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpGSy7OFZEBd.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)

, and it doesn't even work for my $x := $array[3]; $x =:= $array[3]; but i'll pretend you didn't say that ;-) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpkrsvQqGF99.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ===, =:=, ~~, eq and == revisited (blame ajs!)

memory, here. Some implementations of Perl 6 might not know what memory looks like (on a sufficiently abstract VM). Slot -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpAR436ytaZh.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: S?? OS interaction, POSIX and S29

wrapper around a more partitioned set of APIs, that provides a more toolchain like approach, and keeps the docs together. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpLxNij9Cay0.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: TAP extension proposal: test attributes

that we can use backlinks, and color the test file in HTML, and potentially other info. It would be nice if this would be standardized. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpU3j8aoOoow.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: TAP::Harness

). -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpcMgQCUTVKz.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: TAP::Harness

are not explicitly asked for... Too bad I missed talking to you at the hackathon - if I had only thought about this we could have talked in meat-space. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpJMbWwaOVFC.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: TAP extension proposal: test groups

hacky to make work. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpdvFvErE3pF.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Classy logging for Classes

. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpDfNOJ4cich.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: easier duck typing in .can

On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 18:08:00 +1200, Sam Vilain wrote: Why would you not use .does or .isa there? Are you wanting this to go through all of the Class/Role's methods and check that the $object.can() them? Because if you don't control $object's class you can't change it. -- Yuval Kogman

easier duck typing in .can

compile time verification } without affecting our hard earned renewed purity of .isa and .does (due to roles in Perl 6). Comments? -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpDjfA2jPh0W.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: eval

On Wed, May 24, 2006 at 19:54:53 +0300, Gabor Szabo wrote: if eval command fails, where can I get the error message ? aka $@ in P5 ? $! http://dev.perl.org/perl6/doc/design/syn/S04.html#Exception_handlers -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

, but they usually fail making this even more of a contest when size doesn't matter ;-) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpJrzR5jQP6v.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: A shorter long dot

; $foo.bar; $ba.:bar; $x. :bar; Frankly I don't think there's *that* much of a difference - each has pros and cons. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpFJG3Gj3Rdx.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Fw: ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Re: A shorter long dot

that message (with full headers) to [EMAIL PROTECTED] who will then apply the LART. As I figure I'm about to get one, I'll (also) forward mine. Just got one... By LARTing you mean forcibly unsubscribing? because the message was sent to me directly too... -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: A shorter long dot

On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 19:03:28 -0700, chromatic wrote: Two invisible things look completely different to you? If dots looked like this: then they would be invisible. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpjWtFYwS1YC.pgp Description: PGP

Test::Memory::Cycle (well really Devel::Cycle) - support for closures

feel that this be a bit louder, but whatever Lincoln feels is best is his own choice. Anyway, have fun. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 diff -Nur Devel-Cycle-1.04/lib/Devel/Cycle.pm Devel-Cycle-with_code/lib/Devel/Cycle.pm --- Devel-Cycle-1.04/lib

Re: Test::Memory::Cycle (well really Devel::Cycle) - support for closures

Oops, bad patch. I added lib/Test/Memory/Cycle.pm as a symlink so that I don't have to 'make' each time to run the tests. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpb5Xz3jyQ6k.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: The whatever context

? If just grep that means that grep simply doesn't use want. If it's any function, then it means that all are constants are list or whatever, and all we really have are coercers. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpKustGNNHeZ.pgp Description: PGP

The whatever context

to think (== good for when you are evaluating a fucntion ref and you don't know what it is, but you want the natural value to be returned). b. writing eval bots and interactive shells: (whatever eval $expr).perl; ;-) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org

Re: Set Theory (Was: Do junctions support determining interesections of lists)

? ;-) -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpNHDuQGy9dD.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: replacement of $

On Sun, Apr 02, 2006 at 02:04:07 +0300, Larry Wall wrote: ^^^-- (actually that was IDT in the headers) Hi, I'm in Israel and Japan at the same time! Nice one though ;-) plugIf you guys would have participated in the keysigning parties.../plug -- Yuval

'temp $x;' with no assignment

} # $x is 5 again and otherwise pretty much DWIMs, except from a historical perspective. -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpoFwInBPODZ.pgp Description: PGP signature

Announce: Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix 0.05 and Test::TAP::Model 0.06

are consolidated (the example is actually a bit overly verbose - it could have just been Test::TAP::HTMLMatrix-new( $model_ok, $modeL_failing )). The resulting HTML file displays the two test runs together, with their differences highlighted and expanded. Have fun! -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: 'temp $x;' with no assignment

On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 14:35:52 -0600, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 05:26:48PM +0200, Yuval Kogman wrote: How did $x become 10?!?!? :-) GHC has this lovely error: my brain just exploded I think Perl 6 should have a similar runtime warning about how it's usiong my short

Re: 'temp $x;' with no assignment

On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 14:54:05 -0600, Jonathan Scott Duff wrote: Make me believe your 90/10 numbers. http://cpansearch.bulknews.net/ is broken right now... =( -- Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://nothingmuch.woobling.org 0xEBD27418 pgpaJiBDVaA0d.pgp Description: PGP signature

where will we die to?

entries have a catch block. The other thing is to be able to trace an exception: if we have 'die foo but traced' then the exception should print cought at rethrowed as it's doing that. This second thing is much harder for me to pretend to implement -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: where will we die to?

On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 08:14:03 -0800, Larry Wall wrote: On Thu, Mar 23, 2006 at 02:27:07PM +0200, Yuval Kogman wrote: How else would you implement it that doesn't impact performance? One of the main reasons for having exceptions is that they're exceptional, and should be pessimized

Re: Erroneous CPAN Testers Reports

. Human *AND* machine readable. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: *shu*rik*en*sh*u*rik*en*s*hur*i*ke*n*: neeyah pgpd64dMeavnV.pgp Description: PGP signature

RFC - weird stuff I had to do (for fun or profit)

modules can be revisited and maybe better designed. Please reply to this thread with your tales of glory (or failures, and the reason they failed). -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me climbs a brick wall with his fingers: neeyah! pgpP4uiG0yDf6

Re: RFC - weird stuff I had to do (for fun or profit)

have been happier if I could have a nice hook interface with which i could trap both module includes, and all IO operations and insert my own magic into the mess to aid me in my *DEVELOPMENT* process (not production related at all =) -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker

Re: Erroneous CPAN Testers Reports

* bad thing is that i didn't even get a Can't locate ok.pm in @INC in the output, only that some tests failed, and no further output. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me wields bonsai kittens: neeyah pgpZHqvaQAflF.pgp

Re: XML parsing in P6

provide more treeish APIs than event parser APIs. Ciao! -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me climbs a brick wall with his fingers: neeyah! pgplqLqOqmFwV.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: XML parsing in P6

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 01:00:42 +0530, Premshree Pillai wrote: On 3/13/06, Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #perl6 on freenode might be a better choice - much more people are active. I know. I am currently at a friend's place, and seems like (for whatever reason), his ISP has

Re: XML parsing in P6

On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 21:42:59 +0200, Yuval Kogman wrote: You can probably have a shell account on feather.perl6.nl (Juerd needs your full name and I don't know if this can be done by proxy or not), and definately on my machine, where you can use screen/irssi to your heart's content, if you

Re: XML parsing in P6

On Mon, Mar 13, 2006 at 06:33:06 +, Luke Palmer wrote: Luke Luke! You're back from the dead! *dance* -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me beats up some cheese: neeyah! pgpuZTuJK9VUu.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Show-stopping Bug in Module::Install and the Havoc it Created

overkill. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me wields bonsai kittens: neeyah pgp3nqjk41dmP.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: What is the Value of t/0-signature.t?

think they are, but then again i also think i have some modules with Test::Distribution that checks that... so I am a hypocrit ;-) the usability of these tests will be good enough. (I'm CCing audrey so that she'll know I'm dissing her module ;-) -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418

Re: ANNOUNCE - Smolder 0.01

please please please pretty please with a cherry on top add SQLite support? Another, much more pretentious request is that you refactor anything and everything you can into generic modules and put them on the CPAN. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master

Re: socket addresses (was Re: early draft of I/O PDD)

! Objects that stringify! -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me whallops greyface with a fnord: neeyah!!! pgp2d8OPP5NHE.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: ANNOUNCE - Smolder 0.01

that should make it easier to gather more information. Shlomi Fish wrote Test::Run, a Test::Harness fork and was considering improving Test::TAP::Model as well... It might be beneficial for you guys to help each other out if you can. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker

Re: early draft of I/O PDD

in), and then work with Chip to review/revise it. Thanks, Allison -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me sushi-spin-kicks : neeyah pgp8tEwohagCA.pgp Description: PGP signature

Perl 6 design wiki?

documentation of a language, if you will. Pugs has example code, some quick start guides, and a few other nice things in it's repository, which are not pugs specific in any way. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master

Re: Separate compilation and compile-time things

in the compiler's runtime this is slightly consistent ;-) -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me supports the ASCII Ribbon Campaign: neeyah!!! pgpWiJRp1WJ6s.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Separate compilation and compile-time things

-- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me tips over a cow: neeyah!! pgp8X8bmCof23.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 12:37:05 -0800, chromatic wrote: On Tuesday 07 February 2006 23:55, Yuval Kogman wrote: Does this imply that we should think up this process? Go ahead. We'll start at the Israel hackathon, with a little preamble. The last time someone tried to set forth

Re: A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

trying to answer these questions. Thanks -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /methinks long and hard, and runs away: neeyah!!! pgpEyRQC2JVbl.pgp Description: PGP signature

A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

have a layered approach we can concentrate on providing something that is more balanced ... Phew. Ciao! -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me spreads pj3Ar using 0wnage: neeyah!!! pgpTSz073ssT9.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

On Tue, Feb 07, 2006 at 14:02:54 -0800, chromatic wrote: On Tuesday 07 February 2006 13:28, Yuval Kogman wrote: Right now the biggest problem in Perl 6 land is project management. I disagree, but even if it were true, I don't think the solution is to add more project management

Re: A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

On Wed, Feb 08, 2006 at 08:59:35 +0800, Audrey Tang wrote: On 2/8/06, Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Audrey is willing, I think a correct new direction for pugs is to try and separate the parts even more - the prelude is a mess right now, many of it's part are duplicated across

Re: A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

macros get (the definition of the AST). Etc etc etc. These things are also important to implementation, and amount to a huge chunk of code. If we can layer this code, chunk it up, componentize it and make it clean we we can implement it more easily. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418

Re: A proposition for streamlining Perl 6 development

runtime, not just syntax/features. What I'm suggesting is a start in this clarification - trying to componentize the existing syntax/feature spec that we do have, so tha the design of the runtime can be simplified and more concrete/attainable. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl

Re: facades, use_ok, and lexical export

as a function could simply import $module into the non lexical scope because it's a runtime thing, unless it's made into a macro/some other compile time construct, that is more declarative in nature, and makes the whole process more opaque. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker

Re: Perl grammar for Perl5 - Perl6

for this it won't be very extensible, but this is important because perl is reallly hard to parse. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me supports the ASCII Ribbon Campaign: neeyah!!! pgpYtSG9AVmvL.pgp Description: PGP

Re: Capabilities in Perl6?

stuff. This is a very good start towards a model where a crippled runtime is mixed with a fully priviliged one, with grey areas in the middle. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: : neeyah

Re: testing Javascript applications ?

-selenium-with-luke-closs That and unit tests for your ajax handlers should do it. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /me kicks %s on the nose: neeyah! pgpwsZLSuUi4B.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Classification syntax [Was: Renaming grep]

general since it allows classification to include duplicates. Grep is simply: sub grep (filter, [EMAIL PROTECTED]) { classify - $x, f { f($x) if filter($x); } [EMAIL PROTECTED]; } -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Role Method Conflicts and Disambiguation

to be around. As long as it's not too late ;-) -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: : neeyah! pgpJsS5MicP4a.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Role Method Conflicts and Disambiguation

On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 14:19:46 -0400, Stevan Little wrote: Yuval, On Oct 28, 2005, at 10:59 AM, Yuval Kogman wrote: On Thu, Oct 27, 2005 at 22:19:16 -0400, Stevan Little wrote: Now, at this point we have a method conflict in suspension since (according to A/S-12) method conflicts do

Re: Role Method Conflicts and Disambiguation

, but private attributes are no one's business except the package which made them. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: uhm, no, I think I'll sit this one out..: neeyah! pgpSU9hxLHLy8.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Role Method Conflicts and Disambiguation

, and if not it warrants familiarity. I don't think we can let the user use library code without being aware of the library code internals at all. Abstraction that works like this is usually either crippled or useless. 90% of the time you don't want to know, but there are exceptions. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL

Re: Role Method Conflicts and Disambiguation

that... In that case roles are broken... They will need instance data (that doesn't conflict when it's private) to support the methods they give their consumers. Is there any good reason to not allow roles to introduce member data into a class? -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl

Re: Rough thoughts on the Object Space

, and was imperative, and side effect reliant, as opposed to declarative: *{$sym} = $subref; The reason this part is fundamental is that it implies the separation between the bits of code. -- () Yuval Kogman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 0xEBD27418 perl hacker /\ kung foo master: /methinks long and hard

  1   2   3   4   >