Re: Periodic Table of the Operators, version 3

2009-02-16 Thread Richard Hainsworth
piece of work, really excellent! Richard Mark Lentczner wrote: Friends - Just a note to let you know that the third version of the Periodic Table of the Operators is complete: http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/periodic/ Thanks again to all those who helped me dive deep into perl6

Periodic Table of the Operators, version 3

2009-02-15 Thread Mark Lentczner
Friends - Just a note to let you know that the third version of the Periodic Table of the Operators is complete: http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/periodic/ Thanks again to all those who helped me dive deep into perl6. - MtnViewMark Mark Lentczner http://www.ozonehouse.com

FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-14 Thread Jared Rhine
[Rod == [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:10:34 -0500] Jared I haven't yet seen an example presented where using a Unicode Jared operator would save keystrokes, for instance. Rod That depends entirely on how you plan to generate them. If you Rod are relying on a special command in your

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-13 Thread David Storrs
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:40:27AM +0200, Pedro Larroy wrote: What advantages have to use characters not in standard keyboards? Isn't it a little scary? Well, what do you consider a 'standard' keyboard? The zip operator/Yen sign probably appears on most keyboards in Japan, but on very few in

FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-13 Thread Jared Rhine
[Pedro == [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 13 Jun 2004 03:40:27 +0200] Pedro What advantages have to use characters not in standard Pedro keyboards? Flexibility. Stylistic choice. There is More Than One Way To Do It. Power. Expressiveness. Everything that makes Perl good. Pedro Isn't it a little

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-13 Thread Rod Adams
Jared Rhine wrote: I haven't yet seen an example presented where using a Unicode operator would save keystrokes, for instance. That depends entirely on how you plan to generate them. If you are relying on a special command in your editor of choice, yes, the ASCII equiv is fewer keystrokes. If,

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-12 Thread Pedro Larroy
On Sun, May 30, 2004 at 03:33:34PM +, Smylers wrote: Gabriel Ebner writes: Joe Gottman wrote: The zip operator is now the Yen sign (¥). How are those without a US keyboard supposed to type this? Probably the same way as those with US keyboards do -- US keyboards don't

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-09 Thread Gabriel Ebner
Dan Sugalski wrote: That doesn't, in my experience, work reliably, and it seems worst when dealing with unicode and some of the other extended encodings. (The GB stuff's bad too) May well be some bizarre interaction between OS X's terminal and screen, but I regularly end up with sessions that,

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Dan Sugalski
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, H.Merijn Brand wrote: On Tue 08 Jun 2004 12:35, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: But

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Tim Bunce
On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: My console can be any of several platforms - in the last couple of weeks it has been a Linux box, a Windows PC, a Mac, a Sun workstation, and a real vt320 attached to a Sun. My mail sits on a hosted Linux box. To read it, I

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: But when I'm using a terminal session, I have found that the only practical way of getting consistent behaviour

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue 08 Jun 2004 12:35, David Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 11:30:51AM +0100, Tim Bunce wrote: On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 10:52:32PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote: But when I'm using a terminal session, I have

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Juerd
Tim Bunce skribis 2004-06-08 11:30 (+0100): I can recommend PuTTY for windows. Secure, small[1], fast, featureful and free: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [1] So small it easily fits on a floppy. I keep a copy on my USB memory drive. So small that even on modem lines, you

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Gabriel Ebner
Dan Sugalski wrote: Nope. Screen doesn't handle shifting terminal types, I don't get that. The screen server is a virtual terminal, which tells its clients it is of type 'screen', and the screen client translates that to whatever terminal you're using. I can connect to my screen server on my

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-08 Thread Dan Sugalski
On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, Gabriel Ebner wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: Nope. Screen doesn't handle shifting terminal types, I don't get that. The screen server is a virtual terminal, which tells its clients it is of type 'screen', and the screen client translates that to whatever terminal you're

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-07 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 04:21:14PM -0400, Mark J. Reed wrote: Since you've added ? and ? to the list above, I'll add them as well: What's so hard to type about the question mark? And what's so significant that you added it twice? OK, so I know that you really meant to type some bizarre

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-07 Thread Mark J. Reed
On 2004-06-07 at 21:33:03, David Cantrell wrote: This is what is so wrong about allowing unicode operators - yes, I don't need to write them, but if some other programmer writes one I have to be able to read it. And I can't. Well, for one thing, just because your email program doesn't let

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-07 Thread David Cantrell
Mark J. Reed wrote: On 2004-06-07 at 21:33:03, David Cantrell wrote: This is what is so wrong about allowing unicode operators - yes, I don't need to write them, but if some other programmer writes one I have to be able to read it. And I can't. Well, for one thing, just because your email program

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread Mark J. Reed
How are those without a US keyboard supposed to type this? I assume you mean with a US keyboard? US keyboards don't have ¥. You can use zip if you want ASCII. Otherwise, it depends. But Yen is Unicode codepoint U+00A5 = 165 decimal, so you can type it in Windows as ALT + numpad 0165 even

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Sat, 2004-05-29 at 19:04, Gabriel Ebner wrote: Hello, Joe Gottman wrote: The zip operator is now the Yen sign (¥). How are those without a US keyboard supposed to type this? Well, first off my US keyboard doesn't contain it. Second, you're not supposed to. ¥ is a shorthand for zip,

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread Gabriel Ebner
Hello, Mark J. Reed wrote: I assume you mean with a US keyboard? US keyboards don't have . Oops, must have mistakenly picked an US-International chart, sorry. Gabriel. -- Gabriel Ebner - reverse [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread Gabriel Ebner
Hello, Aaron Sherman wrote: Well, first off my US keyboard doesn't contain it. Sorry, mistakenly picked an US-International chart. Second, you're not supposed to. So why has it been chosen then? is a shorthand for zip, Good to know. and if you don't want to use the funky one-character

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread Paul Seamons
Or for the few Perl emacs people out there: C-x 8 Y C-x 8 C-x 8 Paul On Tuesday 01 June 2004 10:27 am, Gabriel Ebner wrote: Hello, Aaron Sherman wrote: Well, first off my US keyboard doesn't contain it. Sorry, mistakenly picked an US-International chart. Second, you're not supposed

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread Mark J. Reed
On 2004-06-01 at 14:10:08, Paul Seamons wrote: Or for the few Perl emacs people out there: C-x 8 Y C-x 8 C-x 8 I suspect there are more than a few. I don't think there's anything constitutional about folks who like Emacs that prevents them from liking Perl or vice-versa. Even though

Re: [Poop-group] Perl 6 Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-06-01 Thread David Nicol
So is he going to backport his representational ideography to the operators of perl 5.8? Darren Duncan wrote: Mark Lentczner has just (on May 26/28) created a useful/humerous graphical diagram of the 100+ operators in the Perl 6 language, designed to look like the periodic table of atomic

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-30 Thread Gabriel Ebner
Hello, Joe Gottman wrote: The zip operator is now the Yen sign (). How are those without a US keyboard supposed to type this? Gabriel. -- Gabriel Ebner - reverse [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-30 Thread Dave Whipp
It probably depends on what nationality that keyboard is for. If its Japanese, you probably won't have a problem ;-). But for the rest of us, use Vi and ctrl-KYe (or spacezipspace). Dave. Gabriel Ebner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello, Joe Gottman wrote:

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-30 Thread Smylers
Gabriel Ebner writes: Joe Gottman wrote: The zip operator is now the Yen sign (¥). How are those without a US keyboard supposed to type this? Probably the same way as those with US keyboards do -- US keyboards don't have a yen symbol on them either. In 'Vim' I got lucky in guessing

Re: FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-30 Thread Rod Adams
Smylers wrote: Gabriel Ebner writes: Joe Gottman wrote: The zip operator is now the Yen sign (¥). How are those without a US keyboard supposed to type this? On Windows you can probably press Alt Gr then type in some number. Close. AltGr-Minus. If you're using the

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-28 Thread Mark Lentczner
Thanks for all the comments. I started this thing as a goof, but I can already see that it will serve dual purposes. Presenting information in such a form can lead people to further insights and questions. Deborah Pickett's comments in this thread are an example. (For some real inspiring

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-28 Thread Mark Lentczner
Not to beat a dead horse, but I've updated the Periodic table with almost all the changes that people here sent me, as well as reading a few more threads and references. This will be the last update for some time. I'll be uploading a version to cafepress so people can get posters,

FW: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-28 Thread Joe Gottman
-Original Message- From: Mark Lentczner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 7:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Periodic Table of the Operators Not to beat a dead horse, but I've updated the Periodic table with almost all the changes that people

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-27 Thread David Landgren
Mark Lentczner wrote: All - Awhile back, I saw Larry Wall give a short talk about the current design of Perl 6. At some point he put up a list of all the operators - well over a hundred of them! I had a sudden inspiration, but it took a few months to get around to drawing it...

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-27 Thread Matthew Walton
Mark Lentczner wrote: All - Awhile back, I saw Larry Wall give a short talk about the current design of Perl 6. At some point he put up a list of all the operators - well over a hundred of them! I had a sudden inspiration, but it took a few months to get around to drawing it...

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-27 Thread Gabriel Ebner
Hello, Mark Lentczner wrote: http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/blog/code/PeriodicTable.html What's periodic about it? Otherwise, _nice_ table. Gabriel. -- Gabriel Ebner - reverse [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-27 Thread Deborah Pickett
Mark Lentczner wrote: Awhile back, I saw Larry Wall give a short talk about the current design of Perl 6. At some point he put up a list of all the operators - well over a hundred of them! I had a sudden inspiration, but it took a few months to get around to drawing it...

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-27 Thread Stéphane Payrard
Le Thu, May 27, 2004 at 12:34:32AM +0200, le valeureux mongueur Gabriel Ebner a dit: Hello, Mark Lentczner wrote: http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/blog/code/PeriodicTable.html What's periodic about it? We hope it will be periodically updated. :) Otherwise, _nice_ table. indee.d

Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-26 Thread Mark Lentczner
All - Awhile back, I saw Larry Wall give a short talk about the current design of Perl 6. At some point he put up a list of all the operators - well over a hundred of them! I had a sudden inspiration, but it took a few months to get around to drawing it...

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-26 Thread Luke Palmer
Mark Lentczner writes: All - Awhile back, I saw Larry Wall give a short talk about the current design of Perl 6. At some point he put up a list of all the operators - well over a hundred of them! I had a sudden inspiration, but it took a few months to get around to drawing it...

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-26 Thread Luke Palmer
Luke Palmer writes: Mark Lentczner writes: All - Awhile back, I saw Larry Wall give a short talk about the current design of Perl 6. At some point he put up a list of all the operators - well over a hundred of them! I had a sudden inspiration, but it took a few months to get

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-26 Thread Mark Lentczner
LOL! That's fantastic! We _must_ put it on dev.perl.org. Thank you. You are welcome to put it on dev.perl.org. I can't help myself but to correct it, though :-) Please do. It was clear that many discussions happened after the TAKE 6 list, my primary reference. I will be happy to update it in

Re: Periodic Table of the Operators

2004-05-26 Thread Uri Guttman
ML == Mark Lentczner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ML http://www.ozonehouse.com/mark/blog/code/PeriodicTable.html very cool! bugs: , lt say greater. same in reverse for , gt the fonts for the little things in the corners could be a bit larger or clearer. s/anonamizer/anonymizer/ a few other