Re: ICU data file location issues

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 14, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Finding stuff relative to the executable/DLL would be coolest scheme, but that is admittedly somewhat tricky to get working cross-platform. Excellent idea. Pretty much every single resource in Cocoa applications and frameworks on Mac OS X is

Re: Method Name Truncation in PIR

2004-04-15 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Method 'layou' not found in file '(unknown file)' near line -1 Did you turn on debugging? Most of these name mangling and string constant stuff should be covered, e.g.: $ parrot -d /tmp/object-meths_15.pasm 21 | grep meth leo

Re: ICU data file location issues

2004-04-15 Thread Jonathan Worthington
Jeff Clites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 14, 2004, at 10:20 PM, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Finding stuff relative to the executable/DLL would be coolest scheme, but that is admittedly somewhat tricky to get working cross-platform. Excellent idea. Pretty much every single resource in Cocoa

Re: Plans for string processing

2004-04-15 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, why is that: my dog Fiffi:language(blah) eq my dog Fi\x{fb03}:langauge(blah) and not use language blah; my dog Fiffi eq my dog Fi\x{fb03} What, if this is: $dog eq my dog Fi\x{fb03} and C$dog hasn't some language info

Re: ICU data file location issues

2004-04-15 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:25:22PM -0700, Jeff Clites wrote: For Unix platforms at least, you should be able to do this: executablePath = isAbsolute($0) ? dirname($0) : cwd().dirname($0) (to mix a bunch of syntaxes) during initialization before you've had a chance to chdir,

Re: Plans for string processing

2004-04-15 Thread Michael Scott
On 14 Apr 2004, at 20:16, Larry Wall wrote: I think the idea of tagging complete strings with language is not terribly useful. If it's to be of much use at all, then it should be generalized to a metaproperty system for applying any property to any range of characters within a string, such that

Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 8:20 AM +0300 4/15/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: TT (Tangentially Topical): it would be nice if Parrot could avoid as many hardcoded paths as possible for configs, libraries, and such, so that the Parrot installation could be relocated as freely as possible. Well, then... Given that everyone's

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:20 AM +0300 4/15/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: TT (Tangentially Topical): it would be nice if Parrot could avoid as many hardcoded paths as possible for configs, libraries, and such, so that the Parrot installation could be relocated as freely as possible. Well,

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 6:23 PM +0300 4/15/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:20 AM +0300 4/15/04, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: TT (Tangentially Topical): it would be nice if Parrot could avoid as many hardcoded paths as possible for configs, libraries, and such, so that the Parrot installation could

Re: ICU data file location issues

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 3:03 AM, Nicholas Clark wrote: But all this is from memory, and in turn for #! invocation one can always parse the #! line to work out where the interpreter was (mmm. race condition) And a race isn't too bad here actually--even if we know the path reliably, it's always

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into sections, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Now'd be the time to argue that, though :) Makes sense to me to just store the path--keep it simple. As long as we've stored it away,

Re: Method Name Truncation in PIR

2004-04-15 Thread chromatic
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 00:58, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Did you turn on debugging? Most of these name mangling and string constant stuff should be covered, e.g.: $ parrot -d /tmp/object-meths_15.pasm 21 | grep meth Aha, here's an interesting difference. I've been using single quotes for

Re: Plans for string processing

2004-04-15 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 05:00, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, why is that: my dog Fiffi:language(blah) eq my dog Fi\x{fb03}:langauge(blah) and not use language blah; my dog Fiffi eq my dog Fi\x{fb03} What, if this is: $dog

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into sections, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Now'd be the time to argue that, though :)

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into sections, but I'm not sure it's worth it. Now'd be the time to argue that, though :) Makes sense to me to just store the path--keep it

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
Dan Sugalski wrote: 1) We add a Parrot_set_library_base(char *lib_path, int length) function to set the base library path 2) We add a Parrot_get_base_library_path() function to the platform-specific interface so platforms can return the base path Works for me... 3) Parrot itself (the main

Re: Method Name Truncation in PIR

2004-04-15 Thread Leopold Toetsch
chromatic wrote: emit set P16['height], 100 Ah. Relikt of Jeff's patch. If that constant got reused elsewhere, e.g. as a method name, it were one too short. Fixed. leo

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 8:54 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path into sections, but I'm not sure it's worth it.

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 9:05 AM -0700 4/15/04, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: 3) Parrot itself (the main executable) has a static, global 1K buffer in it that starts and ends with some recognizable string (like, say, ***+++***START| and |END***+++***) so we can find it and overwrite the

Re: Method Name Truncation in PIR

2004-04-15 Thread chromatic
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 09:18, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Ah. Relikt of Jeff's patch. If that constant got reused elsewhere, e.g. as a method name, it were one too short. Confirmed. Thanks, Leo! Would a test patch such as the following be good to catch regressions, or should it go elsewhere? If

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon
Dan Sugalski wrote: #3, I should point out, will *only* be used on those platforms that don't have a better scheme, and only by the Parrot_get_base_library_path() function. System registry on Windows? /etc file on Unixen? That's global. Bad idea, it messes up multiple installs of the same

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jarkko Hietaniemi
Well, yeah, but... where the executable is ought, honestly, to be irrelevant. If I've stuck Parrot in /usr/bin it seems unlikely that I'll have parrot's library files hanging off of /usr/bin. Bah. BAH, I say. The /usr/bin/parrot is of course a symlink to, say,

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:54 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Sound sane? I can see splitting up the library base path

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: ***+++***START| and |END***+++***) so we can find it and overwrite That's pretty disgusting, but I don't know that I have a better idea. Same scheme as with fingerprint.c? leo

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 9:05 AM, Brent 'Dax' Royal-Gordon wrote: Dan Sugalski wrote: 3) Parrot itself (the main executable) has a static, global 1K buffer in it that starts and ends with some recognizable string (like, say, ***+++***START| and |END***+++***) so we can find it and overwrite the

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 10:23 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 9:36 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:54 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 8:35 AM -0700 4/15/04, Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Sound sane?

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: Actually, one thing I'd like to see is if it wasn't the library's base path hardcoded in, but the base path of a frozen data structure or program that encoded Parrot's settings. That would allow it to carry the runtime library path, the paths to

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 10:30 AM, Jeff Clites wrote: And semantically, I think of it not as the executable's path--that just happens to be something that's 1:1 with a particular copy of parrot. And definitely not libparrot's path--embedded cases would have to specify the path explicitly, though

ICU data loading and platform support

2004-04-15 Thread George R
Hello Perl6 people, I couldn't help but notice that you were talking about ICU on this mailing list. Let me interject with some suggestions. I should mention that ICU 2.6 can build a static data library. I recommend that ICU be built without the --with-data-packaging=archive configure

Re: ICU data loading and platform support

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 11:12 AM, George R wrote: I couldn't help but notice that you were talking about ICU on this mailing list. Let me interject with some suggestions. Thanks much for the message. I should mention that ICU 2.6 can build a static data library. I recommend that ICU be built

Re: ICU data loading and platform support

2004-04-15 Thread George R
Jeff Clites wrote: On Apr 15, 2004, at 11:12 AM, George R wrote: I went with the --with-data-packaging=archive initially for 3 pragmatic reasons: (1) it seems to take a really, really long time to build them into a library, and (2) once parrot ships, if we use --with-data-packaging=archive or

Re: Method Name Truncation in PIR

2004-04-15 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 09:18, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Ah. Relikt of Jeff's patch. If that constant got reused elsewhere, e.g. as a method name, it were one too short. Confirmed. Thanks, Leo! Good. Would a test patch such as the following be good to catch

Re: Plans for string processing

2004-04-15 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 05:00, Leopold Toetsch wrote: $dog eq my dog Fi\x{fb03} and C$dog hasn't some language info attached? Looks good to me. Great example! Seriously, why is that a problem? Dan's problem to come up with better examples--or

Re: Basic Library Paths (was Re: ICU data file location issues)

2004-04-15 Thread Jeff Clites
On Apr 15, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Dan Sugalski wrote: At this point I can say I don't honestly care all that much, and most of my worries are based on vague feelings that there are platforms out there where finding the actual executable name is somewhere between hard and impossible. I will, then,

Re: Plans for string processing

2004-04-15 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 11:55 PM +0200 4/15/04, Leopold Toetsch wrote: Aaron Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 05:00, Leopold Toetsch wrote: $dog eq my dog Fi\x{fb03} and C$dog hasn't some language info attached? Looks good to me. Great example! Seriously, why is that a problem? Dan's

Re: {CVS ci] alternate object initializer calling scheme

2004-04-15 Thread chromatic
On Sat, 2004-04-10 at 01:49, Leopold Toetsch wrote: This initializer is available as first param in the init method. I'm happy with this. Good. What needs to be done before making it the default? I'm anxious to remove CALL__BUILD=1 from my parrot alias. We don't have it yet. We could use

Re: Plans for string processing

2004-04-15 Thread Aaron Sherman
On Thu, 2004-04-15 at 23:13, Dan Sugalski wrote: Nah, that turns out not to be the case. It's my plan, and it's reasonable to say I'm OK with it. :) While I'd prefer to have everyone agree, I can live with it if people don't. Perhaps, as usual, I've been too verbose and everyone just