[perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 Author: Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org Date: 2011-08-23 (Tue, 23 Aug 2011) Changed paths: M S32-setting-library/Exception.pod Log Message: --- [S32] backtraces overhaul spec hidden_from_backtrace trait, be more verbose on backtrace stringification, and introduce separate BackTraceLine class
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? Are we consistently using underscores for multi_word traits and hyphens for multi-word methods? Wouldn't it be nice to have a consistent and teachable rule? And why is this entire message written in questions? Have I simply been watching too many Whose Line Is It Anyway? episodes? Damian?
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
Am 23.08.2011 10:46, schrieb Damian Conway: It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. Try grepping the specs for identifiers of built-ins that have a minus in it -- I didn't find any in a quick search. And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. See https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 maybe it's a charset problem on your machine, or something. Cheers, Moritz
[perl6/specs] d91760: [S32] backtrace renames, as suggested by masak++, ...
Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: d91760b2537b45a55006754f729ddd1c42f7bc4a https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/d91760b2537b45a55006754f729ddd1c42f7bc4a Author: Moritz Lenz mor...@faui2k3.org Date: 2011-08-23 (Tue, 23 Aug 2011) Changed paths: M S32-setting-library/Exception.pod Log Message: --- [S32] backtrace renames, as suggested by masak++, jnthn++ and pmichaud++
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
Am 23.08.2011 10:56, schrieb Moritz Lenz: And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Never mind?
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
Help us always-explains-the-joke-man!!... :) Philippe R. Beauchamp Secure Channel | Bell Business Markets Associate Director - Application Services Phone: 613-781-8953 Cell:613-327-6928 - Original Message - From: Moritz Lenz [mailto:mor...@faui2k3.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 04:56 AM To: perl6-language@perl.org perl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul Am 23.08.2011 10:46, schrieb Damian Conway: It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. Try grepping the specs for identifiers of built-ins that have a minus in it -- I didn't find any in a quick search. And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. See https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 maybe it's a charset problem on your machine, or something. Cheers, Moritz
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
If you're asking for an explanation of the humour, then it's easy. There is no word play or a significant reference to a program only available to a special audience. Seems to me that when Damian got to the end of his email he noticed that each sentence ended in a '?' That's not usual. Most emails contain assertions and questions. The humour is really when he appended a ? to his own name. Was he really questioning what he was called? Richard On 08/23/2011 02:19 PM, philippe.beauch...@bell.ca wrote: Help us always-explains-the-joke-man!!... :) Philippe R. Beauchamp Secure Channel | Bell Business Markets Associate Director - Application Services Phone: 613-781-8953 Cell:613-327-6928 - Original Message - From: Moritz Lenz [mailto:mor...@faui2k3.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 04:56 AM To: perl6-language@perl.orgperl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul Am 23.08.2011 10:46, schrieb Damian Conway: It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. Try grepping the specs for identifiers of built-ins that have a minus in it -- I didn't find any in a quick search. And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. See https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 maybe it's a charset problem on your machine, or something. Cheers, Moritz
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
Whoosh No... LOL I was making reference to another Whose Line game, (as Damian was with the all questions thing)... And the hyphen thing. :) Philippe R. Beauchamp Secure Channel | Bell Business Markets Associate Director - Application Services Phone: 613-781-8953 Cell:613-327-6928 - Original Message - From: Richard Hainsworth [mailto:rich...@rusrating.ru] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 06:28 AM To: perl6-language@perl.org perl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul If you're asking for an explanation of the humour, then it's easy. There is no word play or a significant reference to a program only available to a special audience. Seems to me that when Damian got to the end of his email he noticed that each sentence ended in a '?' That's not usual. Most emails contain assertions and questions. The humour is really when he appended a ? to his own name. Was he really questioning what he was called? Richard On 08/23/2011 02:19 PM, philippe.beauch...@bell.ca wrote: Help us always-explains-the-joke-man!!... :) Philippe R. Beauchamp Secure Channel | Bell Business Markets Associate Director - Application Services Phone: 613-781-8953 Cell:613-327-6928 - Original Message - From: Moritz Lenz [mailto:mor...@faui2k3.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 04:56 AM To: perl6-language@perl.orgperl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul Am 23.08.2011 10:46, schrieb Damian Conway: It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. Try grepping the specs for identifiers of built-ins that have a minus in it -- I didn't find any in a quick search. And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. See https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 maybe it's a charset problem on your machine, or something. Cheers, Moritz
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
I always think of the questions game in Rosencrantz and Guildenstern (Lenzmoritz and Damienstern?) instead of Whose Line?. 15-love, Conway! On Tuesday, August 23, 2011, philippe.beauch...@bell.ca philippe.beauch...@bell.ca wrote: Whoosh No... LOL I was making reference to another Whose Line game, (as Damian was with the all questions thing)... And the hyphen thing. :) Philippe R. Beauchamp Secure Channel | Bell Business Markets Associate Director - Application Services Phone: 613-781-8953 Cell:613-327-6928 - Original Message - From: Richard Hainsworth [mailto:rich...@rusrating.ru] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 06:28 AM To: perl6-language@perl.org perl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul If you're asking for an explanation of the humour, then it's easy. There is no word play or a significant reference to a program only available to a special audience. Seems to me that when Damian got to the end of his email he noticed that each sentence ended in a '?' That's not usual. Most emails contain assertions and questions. The humour is really when he appended a ? to his own name. Was he really questioning what he was called? Richard On 08/23/2011 02:19 PM, philippe.beauch...@bell.ca wrote: Help us always-explains-the-joke-man!!... :) Philippe R. Beauchamp Secure Channel | Bell Business Markets Associate Director - Application Services Phone: 613-781-8953 Cell:613-327-6928 - Original Message - From: Moritz Lenz [mailto:mor...@faui2k3.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 04:56 AM To: perl6-language@perl.orgperl6-language@perl.org Subject: Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul Am 23.08.2011 10:46, schrieb Damian Conway: It's a trivial point, but why hidden_from_backtrace instead of hidden-from-backtrace? Especially given that the associated method is is-hidden, not is_hidden? The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. Try grepping the specs for identifiers of built-ins that have a minus in it -- I didn't find any in a quick search. And why is this entire message written in questions? Is it? I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. See https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/a7cfe02002f665c120cf4b735919779820194757 maybe it's a charset problem on your machine, or something. Cheers, Moritz -- Mark J. Reed markjr...@gmail.com
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
The current stance seems to be that low-level things are spelled with underscores, while we reserve the minus character for user-space code. Try grepping the specs for identifiers of built-ins that have a minus in it -- I didn't find any in a quick search. I had a little more time to look and found... S12 describes Attribute objects as having a method named 'has-accessor', but also having a method named 'get_value'. S19 uses hyphens for all of perl6's long-form command-line flags. In S28, we find $*EXECUTABLE_NAME and %*META-ARGS listed within 10 lines of each other. S32-setting-library_IO.pod and S32-setting-library_Numeric.pod each have public multi-word method names with hyphens. And both also list other identifiers that use underscores. I'm not sure I'm seeing the pattern, though. Apart perhaps from older parts of the spec use underscores, newer parts use hyphens. And I'd like there to be a more consistent approach than that (though I don't really care what it actually is). Damian
Re: [perl6/specs] a7cfe0: [S32] backtraces overhaul
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 05:36:27PM +0200, Damian Conway wrote: And I'd like there to be a more consistent approach than that (though I don't really care what it actually is). +1 to consistency. Pm
[perl6/specs] 187e15: document that forward goto requires quotes
Branch: refs/heads/master Home: https://github.com/perl6/specs Commit: 187e15bcd1a5f52bf7bbd2e35ece1475bd9731af https://github.com/perl6/specs/commit/187e15bcd1a5f52bf7bbd2e35ece1475bd9731af Author: Larry Wall la...@wall.org Date: 2011-08-23 (Tue, 23 Aug 2011) Changed paths: M S04-control.pod Log Message: --- document that forward goto requires quotes
