Re: licensing issues

2001-01-15 Thread David Grove
Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 22.39 -0500 01.14.2001, David Grove wrote: I think that "charter" would be more palatable than "manifesto", although I won't lose the sentiment in semantics. I've been thinking the same thing, and agree entirely. Whereas the license could use

Re: licensing issues

2001-01-15 Thread David Grove
Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please make sense if you are going to address me in the future, or simply don't bother addressing me at all. Thanks, Following the thread(s), in order for this working group to make sense, there must be a reason to look at our licenses. We have found

Re: Why modifing the Artistic license is a good idea (was Re: licensing issues)

2001-01-15 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Chris Nandor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disagree entirely, as you may already know. It is very clear on this point. The only significant business complaints I have _ever_ heard (from actual businesses) about the AL comes from said businesses' lawyers. A business' legal team typically has

Re: Making sure Perl means Perl (was Re: licensing issues)

2001-01-15 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Ben Tilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think a copyright that offers a contract (ie the same structure as the GPL) can do it. The GPL is not a contract, it's a copyright license, just like both the proposed AL-2.0 and the original AL. I believe (IANAL) that End User License Agreements

Re: no one is asking for Perl to be GPL-only (was Re: licensing issues)

2001-01-15 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
"Bradley M. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The FSF surely wants Perl to be under a GPL compatible license (and, (GPL|SOMETHING) is always GPL-compatible, by default). I don't think the FSF has ever expressed a desire that Perl be GPL-only. In fact, the FSF has a policy of encouraging

Re: no one is asking for Perl to be GPL-only (was Re: licensing issues)

2001-01-15 Thread Bradley M. Kuhn
Nathan Torkington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brad, are we trying to come to a conclusion or is this just babble? My impression of the current discussion is that primarily people are clarifying what RFCs were put in place, and what the impact will be. Some of the discussion has been off-topic,

Re: no one is asking for Perl to be GPL-only (was Re: licensing issues)

2001-01-15 Thread Ben Tilly
"Bradley M. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Ben Tilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you point me at this policy? My understanding from reading what Richard has written is that he would like it if all software were GPLed and GPL only. GNU's policy on Perl licensing is on GNU's main

Re: Making sure Perl means Perl (was Re: licensing issues)

2001-01-15 Thread Ben Tilly
"Bradley M. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Tilly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I still think a copyright that offers a contract (ie the same structure as the GPL) can do it. The GPL is not a contract, it's a copyright license, just like both the proposed AL-2.0 and the original AL. MY

Re: licensing issues

2001-01-15 Thread Chris Nandor
At 10:10 -0500 01.15.2001, David Grove wrote: I think the purpose of such a charter should be to inform rather than punish supposed offenders. To have suchg a wrong-headed motivation seems to me to be asking for failure. Then there is no point in working with licenses at all. If licenses