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2001-05-14 Thread Ask Bjoern Hansen
... at http://archive.develooper.com/?M=D should now be updating again. :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://ask.netcetera.dk/ !try; do();

Re: SECOND SYSTEM EFFECT!

2001-05-14 Thread Larry Wall
Michael G Schwern writes: : PS Someone's going to argue that Perl 6 isn't a second system, its : the Nth system. The exact value of N doesn't really matter, we're : still very much in danger of the second system effect. Yes, one need only read through all the RFCs to get an idea how bad it could

Re: perl5 to perl6

2001-05-14 Thread Dave Storrs
(I think I've got the attributions right.) On Fri, 11 May 2001, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: > On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 05:02:39PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Speaking as someone that has often had to work on C, Perl, Verilog and VHDL >

Re: SECOND SYSTEM EFFECT!

2001-05-14 Thread Simon Cozens
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:15:09PM +0100, Michael G Schwern wrote: > "The general tendency is to over-design the second system, using all > the ideas and frills that were cautiously sidetracked on the first > one. The result ... is a 'big pile'." > -- Fred Brooks Jr, "Th

SECOND SYSTEM EFFECT!

2001-05-14 Thread Michael G Schwern
I'm covered in software engineering books at the moment writing up conference stuff and I happened to crack open a copy of "The Mythical Man-Month" and felt I should remind everyone about the... --> *** SECOND SYSTEM EFFECT *** <-- which I'm sure we all know about but sometimes f