Re: Perl DOC BOF

2001-07-30 Thread Adam Turoff
On Sun, Jul 29, 2001 at 12:48:54AM -0400, Bryan C . Warnock wrote: Okay, fun's over. Back to work. There was a Perl Documentation BOF that was scheduled for 6:30 Friday; however, it seems none of the folks who showed up actually called it, and none of the folks who called it actually

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-30 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 05:20:40PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's the trick, Solaris is Sun's Blessed Platform. As a Linux/PowerPC user, I know how Ziggy feels. I'm almost totally ignored by Sun and I'd imagine I'd have just as much trouble getting it working as he did. This is

Re: Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-29 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Jun 29, 2001 at 01:18:07PM -0500, Elaine -HFB- Ashton wrote: Adam Turoff [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] quoth: * *Nevertheless, a degenerate case for installing Perl never requires *transfers or temporary disk space measured in quarter gigabytes. Sure it can. Allow me to clarify

Perl Doesn't Suck

2001-06-27 Thread Adam Turoff
What follows is a long, detailed summary of an attempt to install JDK 1.2.2 on FreeBSD today. FreeBSD/JDK 1.2.2 is an unsupported configuration for Sun, although patches exist to get the JDK to work under FreeBSD. Skip to the last two paragraphs if you want to see how this installation compares

[ANNOUNCE] Apprenticeship Hour at YAPC::NA

2001-06-05 Thread Adam Turoff
As some of you may have noticed from the YAPC schedule[1], I'll be hosting the Perl Apprenticeship Hour next week. I'm STILL looking for brief descriptions of projects that are looking for some help, including: * documentation* tools * tutorials* bugfixes * modules *

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-18 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 08:08:40PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Fri, May 18, 2001 at 12:55:55PM -0400, Stephen P. Potter wrote: Atoms- Unicode. If everything is Unicode, you're going to have to grok Unicode (at least tangentally) to be able to use perl. Bah. Rubbish, no more than you

Re: Perl, the new generation

2001-05-16 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:41:15PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: Stephen P. Potter writes: It seems to me that recently (the last two years or so) and especially with 6, perl is no longer the SAs friend. It is no longer a fun litle language that can be easily used to hack out

Not revisiting the RFC process (was: RFC 362...)

2001-02-22 Thread Adam Turoff
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 07:20:33PM -0800, Edward Peschko wrote: As much as I'd like to respond to some of these points, I'll refrain from it now, I'll let my RFCs speak for themselves. Ed, The RFC process that we started this summer is formally and intentionally closed. Your post,

Re: Not revisiting the RFC process (was: RFC 362...)

2001-02-22 Thread Adam Turoff
On Thu, Feb 22, 2001 at 12:00:45PM -0800, Edward Peschko wrote: As I stated in the original post, there is no reason *not* to keep the process open. In an attempt to keep my previous message concise, I seem to have neglected a few key points: 1) The RFC was a free-for-all brainstorming

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-21 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 07:44:51PM +, David Mitchell wrote: Also, if we go down the 'have a competition to see who can write the best PDD on subject X' path, can we replace the 'TBD' in unnumbered PDDs with a short string chosen by the author? This allows us to (hopefully) unqiuely

Re: State of PDD 0

2001-02-20 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, Feb 20, 2001 at 05:42:01PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: At 02:38 PM 2/20/2001 -0800, Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: How should the submission process work? As for the RFC's? Sounds good to me. Any additional constraints on acceptance criteria? PDD 0 describes an acceptable baseline on

Re: Guidelines for internals proposals and documentation

2000-11-15 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 04:42:58PM +, Nicholas Clark wrote: On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 11:35:56AM -0500, Adam Turoff wrote: All PDDs (like RFCs) need to start with 'Status: Developing' by default. Since statuses like 'Standard', 'Rejected', etc. have Real Meaning (tm), there should

Re: Guidelines for internals proposals and documentation

2000-11-15 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Nov 15, 2000 at 04:20:58PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: I want perl 6's internal API to have the same sort of artistic integrity that the language has. That's not, unfortunately, possible with everyone having equal say. I'd like it to be otherwise, but that's just not possible with

Re: The new api groups

2000-11-14 Thread Adam Turoff
On Tue, Nov 14, 2000 at 12:58:25PM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: (Though I don't think we really need more than a few weeks to get a good set of working RFCs for this, though of course they'll get amended and expanded as work proceeds) I'd like to see a revised set of RFC guidelines

Re: how the FreeBSD project gets its core members

2000-10-17 Thread Adam Turoff
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 10:37:27PM -0700, Nathan Wiger wrote: - The core team appeared to be doing too much, meddling in affairs which didn't concern them. http://www.freebsd.org/FAQ/misc.html#AEN4823 Q: Why should I care what color the bikeshed is? A: The really, really short answer

Re: how the FreeBSD project gets its core members

2000-10-15 Thread Adam Turoff
On Sat, Oct 14, 2000 at 10:33:57PM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: One question: how does an individual become a committer in the first place? This question becomes of upmost significance to folks like David Grove :) Submitting patches that are accepted into the tree are a huge part of it.

Re: I18N of Perl 6 (was: how the FreeBSD project gets its core members)

2000-10-15 Thread Adam Turoff
On Mon, Oct 16, 2000 at 12:05:14AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Sun, Oct 15, 2000 at 04:59:50PM -0400, Jorg Ziefle wrote: Detailed information should follow soon. Should I write an RFC to discuss about, though I would come a bit late? :( RFC 313 not good enough for you? :) I think

Re: how the FreeBSD project gets its core members

2000-10-14 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 05:00:10PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: On Fri, Oct 13, 2000 at 04:35:42PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: http://www.bsdtoday.com/2000/October/News306.html Oops, sorry about that, didn't read Ziggy's message first... No worries. These BSD guys are onto

On Working groups, WGC, etc.

2000-10-12 Thread Adam Turoff
The FreeBSD Core team has just finished electing their next core team. Only "significant" contributors to the project were allowed to vote, and those elected hold office for a fixed term (two years). The Core Team of nine members determine the project's goals and directions. Many open source

Re: Now and then

2000-10-11 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Oct 11, 2000 at 09:41:30AM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: Then again, remember the hassles we had with the perl6-* lists? Nobody knew how to deal with topics that overlapped lists. You had to know all the groups to decide which it was appropriate for. Are these big enough hassles

Improving Perl6 RFCs (was: ...)

2000-10-04 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 11:00:55PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: On Wed, Oct 04, 2000 at 03:42:57PM -0500, Jarkko Hietaniemi wrote: Too many RFCs live in a vacuum by not not explaining in enough detail what is the problem they are trying to solve, but instead go ahead and pull

Re: *REALLY*, it's getting close here...

2000-09-28 Thread Adam Turoff
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 07:56:49PM -0700, Daniel Chetlin wrote: On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:56:44AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: Why isn't there a documentation w/g? Yes, this is a hint. My RFC 240 garnered exactly 0 responses, so there doesn't seem to be much of an interest. I was trying to

Re: RFC - Prototype RFC Implementations - Seperating the men from the boys.

2000-09-15 Thread Adam Turoff
On Fri, Sep 15, 2000 at 04:11:27PM -0600, Nathan Torkington wrote: Mark-Jason Dominus writes: I think it would be a step in the right direction if the WG chairs actually required RFC authors to maintain their RFCs. In preparation for the end-run of RFCing, how about we compile a list of

Re: The Future - grim.

2000-09-10 Thread Adam Turoff
On Sun, Sep 10, 2000 at 09:58:14PM +0100, Alan Burlison wrote: I don't believe in magic. I'm an engineer by profession, not an astrologer. However, I will predict endless arguments when some of the less than coherent proposals are rejected. The RFC process was intended to bring out both

Re: code repository

2000-09-07 Thread Adam Turoff
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 05:31:37PM -0400, Bennett Todd wrote: 2000-09-07-17:11:50 Dan Sugalski: That's certainly possible, but since the reason we're gathered here together working on trying to launch perl6 is a collective belief that perl5 has become unmaintainable for further development,

Working Group Summaries online

2000-09-04 Thread Adam Turoff
http://dev.perl.org/summary/ Each established list/working group has a spot on this page. Weekly/Bi-weekly summaries will be posted as they arrive. Currently, only the two summaries from last week (Aug 31) are online. Earlier summaries will be posted as I find them in the archives