Re: You know what? I think I learnt something today.
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 08:17:40AM +0200, H.Merijn Brand wrote: > Can I forward this to perl.comp.lang.misc and perl.comp.lang.moderated? Please feel free. > Maybe it's more in brian's lane to spot these messages and react on them, Well, yes, Perl 6 has been getting a bit of a bad press, and, yes, Brian should be doing something about this, and no, he hasn't been, but... -- Pray to God, but keep rowing to shore. -- Russian Proverb
Re: You know what? I think I learnt something today.
On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:23:32 +0100, Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, some of you may have noticed that I've suddenly started writing one or > two little RFCs. Yes, this is really me, the same guy who was convinced that > Perl 6 was an exercise in how quick we could all go to hell in a handbasket. > > I admit it. I was wrong. Can I forward this to perl.comp.lang.misc and perl.comp.lang.moderated? There's been some distrust messages over there. This is just a bit of a reassurance for the disbeleivers. Maybe it's more in brian's lane to spot these messages and react on them, but, being a perl monger, I don't wanna lose users from perl to python, lisp or whatever other (scripting)language. --8<--- From: The Glauber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.moderated Subject: Perl 6, llya, and lisp as a replacement for Perl Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:39:49 GMT X-Http-User-Agent: Mozilla/4.02 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98) Opera 4.02 [en] Hello, I've been thinking long and hard about posting this, and i'm not 100% sure that i know exactly what i want to say, but this has been bothering me for a while, and hey, this is Usenet, right? Perl is great. I know i can solve problems with it faster than with other programming languages, but i've been turning to Java for network and web programming, and starting to use lisp for other things i'd normally use Perl for. What's happening? It isn't any big event or change in Perl, but a gradual uneasiness that's creeping in. : : Things are not getting any better. I've been reading way too many posts of Ilya explaining how we could fix Perl bugs, and everybody else saying we shouldn't. Ilya finally defines the way Perl handles numbers (it took how many years to have that?) and nobody seems to care! Then Ilya leaves Perl Porters (http://www.perl.com/pub/2000/09/ilya.html has an interesting interview). Then Perl 6 starts. I thought Perl 6 might be a Good Thing, but thousands of RFCs later it looks like it's becoming a Horrible Multi-Headed Beast instead. : : on't take me wrong. I'm very grateful for Larry Wall and all the other people who worked hard to get Perl to be what it is, but i think that if Perl refuses to grow up, it will end up in Neverland with the other Lost Boyz. I don't want that to happen but i'm learning Lisp, just in case. glauber -->8--- -- H.Merijn Brand Amsterdam Perl Mongers (http://www.amsterdam.pm.org/) using perl-5.005.03, 5.6.0, 5.7.1 & 516 on HP-UX 10.20 & 11.00, AIX 4.2 & 4.3, DEC OSF/1 4.0 and WinNT 4.0 SP-6a, often with Tk800.022 and/or DBD-Unify ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/languages/perl/CPAN/authors/id/H/HM/HMBRAND/
Re: You know what? I think I learnt something today.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:34:32AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Which is what I'm working on. You'll all be extremely pleased to know, I'm > > sure, that I have notes here for another 12 RFCs. After that, I have to start > > thinking. > > Three days to go to the Big Freeze. Where are you going to find the > time? You seem to forget, Piers, that he's Simon Cozens. :-) Z.
Re: You know what? I think I learnt something today.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:45:06AM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > Hey, I did 25 on Monday. You mean you didn't notice they're generated > automatically? Ah. You've outdoing Damian Conway with code that parses the p5p archives for "I'd like to see...", feeding this into a neural net to isolate and collate the ideas from the rants, which in turn runs a natural language engine to generate a RFC whenever it "thinks" of something? Nicholas Clark
Re: You know what? I think I learnt something today.
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 10:34:32AM +0100, Piers Cawley wrote: > Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Which is what I'm working on. You'll all be extremely pleased to know, I'm > > sure, that I have notes here for another 12 RFCs. After that, I have to start > > thinking. > > Three days to go to the Big Freeze. Where are you going to find the > time? Hey, I did 25 on Monday. You mean you didn't notice they're generated automatically? -- "The best index to a person's character is a) how he treats people who can't do him any good and b) how he treats people who can't fight back." -- Abigail Van Buren
Re: You know what? I think I learnt something today.
Simon Cozens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Which is what I'm working on. You'll all be extremely pleased to know, I'm > sure, that I have notes here for another 12 RFCs. After that, I have to start > thinking. Three days to go to the Big Freeze. Where are you going to find the time? -- Piers
You know what? I think I learnt something today.
Now, some of you may have noticed that I've suddenly started writing one or two little RFCs. Yes, this is really me, the same guy who was convinced that Perl 6 was an exercise in how quick we could all go to hell in a handbasket. I admit it. I was wrong. What's caused this dramatic change of mind? Well, the YAPC::Europe played a huge part. Actually meeting the people doing the work on it and realising that not everyone has drunk of the Java Fountain of Youth or has been spending far too much time with dangerous snakes. That actually, there's a bunch of people out there who understand what Perl's about and know how it should proceed. And that *they're not the guys making the noise*. The reason it looked like there was a clamour of craziness (I believe Alan's already ranted about what happens when people who just *aren't* language designers believe that they ought to be.) was because it was the crazy people doing the clamouring. But in any case, even if I do think there's a load of Koolaid drinkers out there, the best thing I can do is get some suggestions in that I think are sensible; taking away my voice and my say in what happens seems a load like cutting off my nose to spite my face. And if Sturgeon's Law applies, the best thing to do is to work on increasing the other 10%. Which is what I'm working on. You'll all be extremely pleased to know, I'm sure, that I have notes here for another 12 RFCs. After that, I have to start thinking. -- "If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system." (By Linus Torvalds)
