Re: Days of the Week abbreviated

2004-05-02 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 19:38, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> the *correct* way is to order from right to left.

I confirm. The screenshot I sent was just for making people see
something. The preferred direction is right to left and then top to
bottom.

roozbeh


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Re: FW: IranL10nInfo - First Week of The Year

2004-05-02 Thread Roozbeh Pournader
On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 04:31, Omid K. Rad wrote:

> Iâm going to find the regulation that is used in Iran to determine the first week 
> of the year.

There is no regulation or practice for that, as far as I know. I'd love
to be proved incorrect. (Well, actually the first week of the year
doesn't start until Farvardin 14 here in Iran!)

> To decide on the first week of the year weâve got three rules (don't tire out 
> yourself with these, just read on):
> [...]

Are those the only ones .NET allows? The POSIX standards allow four
more. The general idea is identifying a certain day of the week that its
occurence marks a first week of the year. Considering Saturday as the
first day of the week, your FirstDay is equivalent to POSIX's "Friday",
your FirstFourDayWeek is equivalent to "Tuesday", and your
"FirstFullWeek" is equivalent to "Saturday".
 
roozbeh


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Re: Days of the Week abbreviated

2004-05-02 Thread Omid K. Rad
<>

After Behdad's justifications and concluding the survey about this discussion, I 
changed the section [3.2.3] of the draft as follows:

[3.2.3]
There is no abbreviated form for the weekday names in Persian. However, it is common 
to use the first letter of weekdays in the month calendars as shown below.

ØØØ 
Ú  Ù  Ú  Ø  Ø  Û  Ø

Û  Û  Û  Û  Û  Û
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ  Û  Û
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ
ÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛÛ
ÛÛÛÛÛÛ


Changes are online:
http://www.idevcenter.com/projects/iranl10ninfo/draft/#3.2.3


Omid

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Re: Days of the Week abbreviated

2004-05-02 Thread C Bobroff

On Sun, 2 May 2004, Omid K. Rad wrote:

> [3.2.3]
> There is no abbreviated form for the weekday names in Persian. However, it
> is common to use the first letter of weekdays in the month calendars as
 ^^
Common?
How about, "acceptable" or something like that?

-Connie
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Re: Days of the Week abbreviated

2004-05-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Sun, 2 May 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:

> On Sat, 2004-05-01 at 19:38, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> > the *correct* way is to order from right to left.
>
> I confirm. The screenshot I sent was just for making people see
> something. The preferred direction is right to left and then top to
> bottom.

Now that you mentioned that, I elaborate.  I didn't want to raise
it here ;).

[The message has an attached image, if it does not get through,
you can find it here: http://www.cs.toronto.edu/~behdad/cal.jpg
(20kb)]

The current layout we are used to is "top to bottom, then right
to left".  It means, rows are arranged top to bottom, then in
each row, cells are arranged from right to left.  This one turns
out something like the first one in the attached image.

But I remember seeing wall calendars with direction "right to
left, then top to bottom".  This is the second layout in the
attached shot.

And the third one in the screenshot attached is the first layout,
but instead of single letter day of week names, I have used
something more intuitive, but apparently it's quite a failure and
should never be used.

> roozbeh

Later,
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Re: Abbreviations et al.

2004-05-02 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:

> Nice examples of abbreviations/shorthands/whatever:
>
> * The first page of Mosahab Persian Encyclopedia (first published in
> 1345/1966), about the abbreviations used in the encyclopedia, showing
> different methods of Persian abbreviation (127 KiB):
>
>   http://www.farsiweb.info/misc/mosahab-abbr.png

Nice construction, but none of them are actually used these days,
except for:

ALEF LAM KHEH:  widely used.

BEH MEEM:  For AD, is not used, but a single MEEM is used
instead.  It's context sensitive so, the same thing means
"translator" in other contexts.

SAD: widely used as "(SAD)".

SAD ZWJ: For Page, is widely used, but as an isolated SAD.

EIN:  widely used as "(EIN)".

EIN JIM: used for a different meaning.

HEH SHEEN, HEH GHAF: used widely.

So, the others are usual dictionary constructions.  The same
thing happens in English too.  But it's unfortunate that we still
don't have any abbreviations in use for units in Physics :(.

BTW, the construction techniques are intelligent in their own
limited way.

--behdad
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