Re: Nested RTL Lists in Mozilla

[Behnam Esfahbod]

Oops!

On CSS3, list-style-type value can be:
arabic-indic: for ARABIC-INDIC DIGITs
farsi, urdu:  for EXTENDED ARABIC-INDIC DIGITs
Regards,
/Beee
Behnam Esfahbod wrote:
As I looked at "CSS3 module: Lists" (W3C Working Draft 7 November 2002) 
there will be an "arabic-indic" for changing the numeric system.

;)
/Beee


C Bobroff wrote:

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Behnam Esfahbod wrote:


In new mozilla release (1.7a), the bug for alignment of nested
right-to-left lists has fixed.  Now all type of lists (ol|ul) work
properly in RtL direction.
Test Page: 


But the numbers in the list are still not in Persian...

-Connie


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Re: Conversion from Zarnegar to Unicode

[azadnia]

Dear Friends

Please Search Farsification Project in google, then go to products, find
IUC (ITRC Unicode Coinvertor, It may help you.

Azadnia


> Do you have the zarnegar's on disc format?
> Is it published at all?
> --mas
> On Fri, 2004-02-06 at 02:23, Amin Mohadjer wrote:
>> Has anyone tried converting from Zarnegar to Unicode or Windows 1252
>> with
>> success?
>>
>> I searched on Google and could not find any such utility on the Web, I
>> came
>> across a few threads in FarsiWeb but nothing conclusive.
>>
>> Why is such an immensely useful utility not readily available? Is it too
>> daunting a technical challenge or programmers in Iran are tending to
>> more
>> urgent tasks? I am curious to know.
>>
>> Amin
>> Redmond, WA
>>
>>
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Re: Nested RTL Lists in Mozilla

[Behnam Esfahbod]

As I looked at "CSS3 module: Lists" (W3C Working Draft 7 November 2002) 
there will be an "arabic-indic" for changing the numeric system.

;)
/Beee


C Bobroff wrote:
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Behnam Esfahbod wrote:


In new mozilla release (1.7a), the bug for alignment of nested
right-to-left lists has fixed.  Now all type of lists (ol|ul) work
properly in RtL direction.
Test Page: 


But the numbers in the list are still not in Persian...

-Connie


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RE: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries

[Roozbeh Pournader]

On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 14:58, Linguasoft wrote:
> As no copyright
> message was given alongside with the original data, there was no reason to
> assume that usage should infringe any third party's rights.

Of course you don't necessarily need to put a copyright message on
something in order to claim the copyright. If there is no copyright
message there, and there is no permission to use it for a certain
reason, one should assume that he has no right to copy it (of course
there are rights that, like 'fair use', which doesn't imply here).

roozbeh


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RE: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries

[Linguasoft]

Sure. These are raw data that I received from Iran on a diskette, and
converted into Unicode (plus some more editing work). As no copyright
message was given alongside with the original data, there was no reason to
assume that usage should infringe any third party's rights.

The release of these dictionaries was also announced publicly, via the
predecessor of this list, in order to make sure that there is no
infringement of which I was not aware. I haven't received any reaction so
far to this extent.

Peter



-Original Message-
From: Behdad Esfahbod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 11:42 AM
To: Linguasoft
Cc: 'Persian Computing List'
Subject: RE: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries



Thanks Peter for checking them.  Do you have any idea about
these ones:

http://www.popdic.com/dict_farsi.htm


English-Farsi

Entries: 52 195
Editor: Linguasoft
Download link: eng-farsi.zip (~3 697 Kb). Hits: 680


Farsi-English

Entries: 44 908
Editor: Linguasoft
Download link: farsi-eng.zip (~2 363 Kb). Hits: 603




behdad



On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Linguasoft wrote:

> Dear Behdad:
>
> You replied to me personally, so allow me to forward your message (below)
to
> the list as your question was apparently directed to all list members.
>
> The interesting thing with www.babylon.com/... is that some of these
Persian
> dictionaries carry a copyright message, while others, specifically those
> that use the name Aryanpur, do not. According to the introductory message,
> the latter have been >>Presented by: Network and Information Center (NIC)
of
> the university of Isfahan. web site: www.ui.ac.ir [...]<< What does this
> mean? Presented by whom? The lawful owners of the dictionary contents and
of
> the data? Presented to whom? To the "Public Domain"? This hypothesis seems
> to be supported by the fact that www.babylon.com/gloss/glossaries.html
> speaks of "Free Public Glossaries", but this goes of course with the
implied
> assumption that the people who "presented" these data has the legal
capacity
> to do so.
>
> Lastly, does anyone know if an Aryanpur printed or electronic version has
> ever been [re-]published in one of the signatory states of the Universal
> Copyright Convention*, carrying an appropriate copyright message? Proving
> this would be the only chance, IMO, to protect the original authors'
rights
> in the international theater.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
> *) see
http://www.unesco.org/culture/laws/copyright/html_eng/state1952.shtml
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Behdad Esfahbod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:25 PM
> To: Linguasoft
> Subject: Re: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries
>
>
> The one that claims to be Aryanpur is almost what we have, based
> on the number of entries.  I don't know about the others, nor can
> I check.  Would one please download and have a look.  The big
> one, with 25 entries(!!), is it the multi-volume Aryanpur?
>
> behdad
>
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Linguasoft wrote:
>
> > In an attempt to broaden our current discussion:
> >
> > Does anyone know about the legal status of the dictionaries
> > offered for free download on the following site:
> >
> >
>
http://info.babylon.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?layout=sr_new.html&cat=21&sort=&n
> > c=2&n=10
> >
> > The company offering them is identified at
> >
> > http://www.babylon.com/display.php?id=44&tree=7&level=2
> >
> > (the German address is only a branch office, AFAIK).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Peter
>
>
>

--behdad
  behdad.org

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RE: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries

[Behdad Esfahbod]

Thanks Peter for checking them.  Do you have any idea about
these ones:

http://www.popdic.com/dict_farsi.htm


English-Farsi

Entries: 52 195
Editor: Linguasoft
Download link: eng-farsi.zip (~3 697 Kb). Hits: 680


Farsi-English

Entries: 44 908
Editor: Linguasoft
Download link: farsi-eng.zip (~2 363 Kb). Hits: 603




behdad



On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, Linguasoft wrote:

> Dear Behdad:
>
> You replied to me personally, so allow me to forward your message (below) to
> the list as your question was apparently directed to all list members.
>
> The interesting thing with www.babylon.com/... is that some of these Persian
> dictionaries carry a copyright message, while others, specifically those
> that use the name Aryanpur, do not. According to the introductory message,
> the latter have been >>Presented by: Network and Information Center (NIC) of
> the university of Isfahan. web site: www.ui.ac.ir [...]<< What does this
> mean? Presented by whom? The lawful owners of the dictionary contents and of
> the data? Presented to whom? To the "Public Domain"? This hypothesis seems
> to be supported by the fact that www.babylon.com/gloss/glossaries.html
> speaks of "Free Public Glossaries", but this goes of course with the implied
> assumption that the people who "presented" these data has the legal capacity
> to do so.
>
> Lastly, does anyone know if an Aryanpur printed or electronic version has
> ever been [re-]published in one of the signatory states of the Universal
> Copyright Convention*, carrying an appropriate copyright message? Proving
> this would be the only chance, IMO, to protect the original authors' rights
> in the international theater.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter
>
>
> *) see http://www.unesco.org/culture/laws/copyright/html_eng/state1952.shtml
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Behdad Esfahbod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:25 PM
> To: Linguasoft
> Subject: Re: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries
>
>
> The one that claims to be Aryanpur is almost what we have, based
> on the number of entries.  I don't know about the others, nor can
> I check.  Would one please download and have a look.  The big
> one, with 25 entries(!!), is it the multi-volume Aryanpur?
>
> behdad
>
> On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Linguasoft wrote:
>
> > In an attempt to broaden our current discussion:
> >
> > Does anyone know about the legal status of the dictionaries
> > offered for free download on the following site:
> >
> >
> http://info.babylon.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?layout=sr_new.html&cat=21&sort=&n
> > c=2&n=10
> >
> > The company offering them is identified at
> >
> > http://www.babylon.com/display.php?id=44&tree=7&level=2
> >
> > (the German address is only a branch office, AFAIK).
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Peter
>
>
>

--behdad
  behdad.org
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RE: English-Persian dictionary on your site

[Linguasoft]

>>To cite any dictionary in another dictionary, [you] better resolve
the copyright issue first.<<

Good point, but these issues are interdependent, aren't they? Most
dictionaries, as a matter of fact, are *collected citations* from (usually)
a variety of sources, no matter if they name their sources or not. The
question remains: Where does the NEW copyright start?

>>About the "Duden" example you gave, the publisher that is publishing
updated copies every year, is probably the copyright holder.<<

That's the trick. You call it update, I said "professional modification".
The *original* Duden dictionary (and thus, it's stock of data) must have
been in the public domain for many decades. There was even a German
Democratic Republic edition using the same name, so also the name itself
cannot be copyrighted any longer.

Peter

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RE: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries

[Linguasoft]

Dear Behdad:

You replied to me personally, so allow me to forward your message (below) to
the list as your question was apparently directed to all list members.

The interesting thing with www.babylon.com/... is that some of these Persian
dictionaries carry a copyright message, while others, specifically those
that use the name Aryanpur, do not. According to the introductory message,
the latter have been >>Presented by: Network and Information Center (NIC) of
the university of Isfahan. web site: www.ui.ac.ir [...]<< What does this
mean? Presented by whom? The lawful owners of the dictionary contents and of
the data? Presented to whom? To the "Public Domain"? This hypothesis seems
to be supported by the fact that www.babylon.com/gloss/glossaries.html
speaks of "Free Public Glossaries", but this goes of course with the implied
assumption that the people who "presented" these data has the legal capacity
to do so.

Lastly, does anyone know if an Aryanpur printed or electronic version has
ever been [re-]published in one of the signatory states of the Universal
Copyright Convention*, carrying an appropriate copyright message? Proving
this would be the only chance, IMO, to protect the original authors' rights
in the international theater.

Best regards,

Peter


*) see http://www.unesco.org/culture/laws/copyright/html_eng/state1952.shtml



-Original Message-
From: Behdad Esfahbod [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:25 PM
To: Linguasoft
Subject: Re: English<>Persian electronic dictionaries


The one that claims to be Aryanpur is almost what we have, based
on the number of entries.  I don't know about the others, nor can
I check.  Would one please download and have a look.  The big
one, with 25 entries(!!), is it the multi-volume Aryanpur?

behdad

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004, Linguasoft wrote:

> In an attempt to broaden our current discussion:
>
> Does anyone know about the legal status of the dictionaries
> offered for free download on the following site:
>
>
http://info.babylon.com/cgi-bin/search.cgi?layout=sr_new.html&cat=21&sort=&n
> c=2&n=10
>
> The company offering them is identified at
>
> http://www.babylon.com/display.php?id=44&tree=7&level=2
>
> (the German address is only a branch office, AFAIK).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter

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Re: Dictionaries on the web

[Roozbeh Pournader]

On Sun, 2004-03-07 at 00:14, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote:
> 
> > Honestly, license agreements are not applicable in Iran (and many other
> > countries). License Agreements may be important if you live in US and
> > some other countries, but don't have a case in Iran. In Iran, you only
> > have the copyright law.
> 
> And of course the contract law.  To be precise, the Islamic
> contract law ;).

Sure. That is the reason I was insisting on signatures and such stuff.
But the Islamic law on contracts, like what happens when you buy
something from a shop and if you have an Islamic right to return it and
such stuff, that is complicated...

roozbeh


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