Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > I tried to convince him to refine his work based on better references, > but he didn't seem interested enough. OK, one whole person gave him feedback. > told me. I have his email address, if you want to try it yourself. He > happens to read his emails, contrary to many other Iranian experts. No thanks! > You mean on the mailing list? No, I just checked, and he's not here, nor > on any other mailing list on lists.sharif.edu. You never know who's hiding behind all those hotmail and yahoo addresses! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 21:55, C Bobroff wrote: > Then he needs more feedback, support, participationmore "Persian > customers" as Behdad puts it, or else he will just assume no one cares and > who can blame him. I tried to convince him to refine his work based on better references, but he didn't seem interested enough. He's somehow passed that phase, he told me. I have his email address, if you want to try it yourself. He happens to read his emails, contrary to many other Iranian experts. > (Do you suppose he's one of the silent lurkers?!) You mean on the mailing list? No, I just checked, and he's not here, nor on any other mailing list on lists.sharif.edu. roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Roozbeh Pournader wrote: > I'm worried people will start refering to your pictures only as examples > of good Persian typography: "Look, this picture has it here, it's > definitely Persian, and it uses the dots, so it's OK to do that"! Your concerns have been duly noted. I will take the necessary precautions with the captions (AS SOON AS I GET THE PICTURES!!) > He's of course a wonderful guy that has recognized many of the problems > of Persian computing and published books on the matter (using tools he > has developed himself). Then he needs more feedback, support, participationmore "Persian customers" as Behdad puts it, or else he will just assume no one cares and who can blame him. (Do you suppose he's one of the silent lurkers?!) -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 20:55, C Bobroff wrote: > (Certain others may like to note how promptly Behzad has sent that when > I'm still waiting for printed wedding invitations, flyers, invoices, etc > with the Arabic Yeh and Kaf for the other museum exhibit announced a long > time ago) I'm worried people will start refering to your pictures only as examples of good Persian typography: "Look, this picture has it here, it's definitely Persian, and it uses the dots, so it's OK to do that"! > > A professional in Persian language [Mr. MohammadReza Mohammadifar], > He DOES have a Heh+Hamza right there on the cover of his book so he can't > be TOO bad! (Now I'm going to get flamed...) You should meet him... He's of course a wonderful guy that has recognized many of the problems of Persian computing and published books on the matter (using tools he has developed himself). But his work can't be trusted as authoritative, as there are many known problems. For example, his work on indexing specifically mentions that the ordering of Persian vowel signs is Fathe, Zamme, Kasre, which almost no other reference agrees with. When I specifically asked him why he is doing so, he mentioned that he can't exactly remember the references, but it is based on exhaustive research. Now I won't call that good research. > But why is he using the word, "kaamaa"? I thought it's "virgul" in > Persian? Personal preference (a.k.a. ignorance)? roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > > As a webmaster, I rather to use 'Reh', which consists with Web Usability Rules. > > Which Web Usability Rules?? Presumably he doesn't like the users to see a box or ??? or ",". The old font problem as usual! That is the source of all our problems! -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
Behzad, You are a wonder with scanner and hi-liter! Thank you and good job!! I'll let you know when the museum exposition is ready for your perusal. (Certain others may like to note how promptly Behzad has sent that when I'm still waiting for printed wedding invitations, flyers, invoices, etc with the Arabic Yeh and Kaf for the other museum exhibit announced a long time ago) > Please kindly find the scanned page of the book (Persian Manual of Editing, Is there a date on there? 138?? > Now I'm a little bit worry about a "Comma vs. Reh War"! Just be glad you weren't around for the Heh+Hamza vs Heh+Yeh War. Now THAT was bloody. > A professional in Persian language [Mr. MohammadReza Mohammadifar], He DOES have a Heh+Hamza right there on the cover of his book so he can't be TOO bad! (Now I'm going to get flamed...) But why is he using the word, "kaamaa"? I thought it's "virgul" in Persian? -Connie ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 2004-01-07 at 16:32, Behdad Esfahbod wrote: > [...] As you are not a Persian whatever > expert, just go with my recommendation. period. ... or face the consequences if you wish to decide otherwise. "nagoo nagoftim!" ;) roozbeh ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
Re: [persiancomputing]Separating persian numbers with comma is incorrect (second e-mail)
On Wed, 7 Jan 2004, AmirBehzad Eslami wrote: > e-Greetings, > > Some people say that we should use comma "," or U+066B, > some other say: We Should Use 'Reh (U+0631)'. Who has said to use U+066B or U+0631 for that??? I think this is all your hallucination. The only character that should be used is U+066C ARABIC THOUSANDS SEPARATOR. I know that Microsoft fonts (mistakenly) render it like a comma, but 1) that's wrong, have a look at Unicode tables, 2) It's a matter of font, you can put a "re" shaped glyph there in your font if you prefer. BUT THIS IS THE ONE AND ONLY ONE CHARACTER THAT SHOULD BE USED. OTHERWISE YOU ARE CREATING A NEW PROBLEM. > As a webmaster, I rather to use 'Reh', which consists with Web Usability Rules. Which Web Usability Rules?? > Remember the "Farsi vs. Persian War", for ages we have used the term 'Farsi'. But > now we know Persian is correct. > Now I'm a little bit worry about a "Comma vs. Reh War"! Yeah, and I smell you starting a problem. But I won't fight anymore after the end of this mail. Your problem. > A professional in Persian language [Mr. MohammadReza Mohammadifar], has stated that > "using of 'Reh' is prefered", So have I > ; though I'm not a Persian language expert. And I hereby say that Mr MohammadReza Mohammadifar is not a professional in Persian computing, and a professional is right now in this mail saying that you should not use "re", but ARABIC THOUSANDS SEPARATOR U+066C. As you are not a Persian whatever expert, just go with my recommendation. period. behdad > Regards, > Behzad ___ PersianComputing mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.sharif.edu/mailman/listinfo/persiancomputing
