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RE: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

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Freezing is the easiest since you're not in the forests, deserts, miles away 
from civilization, but in your home or office.  I think ethyl acetate would be 
the material used in the killing jars - less dangerous than acetone.  Ethanol 
is good as a fluid preservative and killing agent.  70-75% is good and 95% good 
for DNA preservation but specimen becomes brittle.  Propylene glycol is also 
good but kind of slimy.  Good preservation of DNA and you can mail specimens 
and not have to list the material as dangerous goods because not flammable.  
Sometimes letting an insect starve may ruin the specimen if tissues decompose 
prematurely prior to preservation or photography.  Dragonflies and damselflies 
are good candidates for the starvation route because their gut gets cleared out 
and the body coloration remains pristine.
Lou

Louis N. Sorkin, B.C.E.
Entomologist, Arachnologist
Division of Invertebrate Zoology
American Museum of Natural History
Central Park West at 79th Street
New York, New York 10024-5192
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Kelley
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 3:52 PM
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Subject: RE: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

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Barbara,

The "kill jars" that entomologists use before pinning an insect in a collection 
use a small volume of acetone to quickly kill them. The easiest source for 
cheap acetone is fingernail polish remover, which works fine. Pour a bit over a 
paper towel  (don't soak) in the bottom of a container and you are ready to go. 
Freezing can also work.

Pat

Patrick Kelley,

Insects Limited, Inc.

16950 Westfield Park Road
Westfield, IN 46074  USA

Phone: (317) 896-9300 Fax: (317) 867-5757
Email: p.kel...@insectslimited.com website: 
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Of Appelbaum & Himmelstein
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:39 PM
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Subject: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

I am trying to get an intact dead body of a particular type of insect to 
photograph so I can have it identified, but it takes a long time for them to 
die by starvation after I put them in a jar.  I noticed that a squirt of Windex 
incapacitates them temporarily but does not kill them, so I dropped a small bit 
of cotton wet with full-strength ammonium hydroxide into the jar with a 
recently caught one, and it died quite quickly.  I am not, however, looking 
forward to opening the jar.

Is there some other common but deadly substance (other than RAID) that would 
make a quick kill?

Based on my Windex experience, I suggest it when you are trying to catch 
insects without squashing them.  It may work on flying ones as well as crawling 
ones.

Barbara Appelbaum

Appelbaum & Himmelstein
444 Central Park West
New York, NY  10025
212-666-4630 (voice)
212-316-1039 (fax)
aa...@mindspring.com
website: aandhconservation.org







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Re: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

[Neil Carey]

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There are many sites on Google that show you how to quickly make insect killing 
jars. They nowadays use ether (flammable), chloroform (toxic) or ethyl acetate.

If the critters are not hard bodied, e.g. larvae, simply drop them in 80% 
rubbing alcohol, or better yet 40+ proof ethanol, which you can  then keep 
hidden in your desk drawer for "medicinal purposes."

If you want to have a bit more fun, have one of your M.D. buddies bring over a 
spray bottle of ethyl chloride spray… that's the stuff that the doc sprays on 
your skin to freeze it before giving you an injection. It's accurate from 
several feet away. Use the remainder to drive your coworkers nuts.

Neil Carey

On Sep 13, 2012, at 2:38 PM, Appelbaum & Himmelstein wrote:

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> I am trying to get an intact dead body of a particular type of insect to 
> photograph so I can have it identified, but it takes a long time for them to 
> die by starvation after I put them in a jar.  I noticed that a squirt of 
> Windex incapacitates them temporarily but does not kill them, so I dropped a 
> small bit of cotton wet with full-strength ammonium hydroxide into the jar 
> with a recently caught one, and it died quite quickly.  I am not, however, 
> looking forward to opening the jar.  
> 
> Is there some other common but deadly substance (other than RAID) that would 
> make a quick kill?
> 
> Based on my Windex experience, I suggest it when you are trying to catch 
> insects without squashing them.  It may work on flying ones as well as 
> crawling ones.
> 
> Barbara Appelbaum
> 
> Appelbaum & Himmelstein
> 444 Central Park West
> New York, NY  10025
> 212-666-4630 (voice)
> 212-316-1039 (fax)
> aa...@mindspring.com
> website: aandhconservation.org
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> 
> 
> 
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RE: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

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Barbara,

The "kill jars" that entomologists use before pinning an insect in a collection 
use a small volume of acetone to quickly kill them. The easiest source for 
cheap acetone is fingernail polish remover, which works fine. Pour a bit over a 
paper towel  (don't soak) in the bottom of a container and you are ready to go. 
Freezing can also work.

Pat

Patrick Kelley,

Insects Limited, Inc.

16950 Westfield Park Road
Westfield, IN 46074  USA

Phone: (317) 896-9300 Fax: (317) 867-5757
Email: p.kel...@insectslimited.com website: 
www.insectslimited.com






From: ad...@museumpests.net [mailto:ad...@museumpests.net] On Behalf Of 
Appelbaum & Himmelstein
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 2:39 PM
To: pestlist@museumpests.net
Subject: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

I am trying to get an intact dead body of a particular type of insect to 
photograph so I can have it identified, but it takes a long time for them to 
die by starvation after I put them in a jar.  I noticed that a squirt of Windex 
incapacitates them temporarily but does not kill them, so I dropped a small bit 
of cotton wet with full-strength ammonium hydroxide into the jar with a 
recently caught one, and it died quite quickly.  I am not, however, looking 
forward to opening the jar.

Is there some other common but deadly substance (other than RAID) that would 
make a quick kill?

Based on my Windex experience, I suggest it when you are trying to catch 
insects without squashing them.  It may work on flying ones as well as crawling 
ones.

Barbara Appelbaum

Appelbaum & Himmelstein
444 Central Park West
New York, NY  10025
212-666-4630 (voice)
212-316-1039 (fax)
aa...@mindspring.com
website: aandhconservation.org






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RE: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

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You may find it simpler to put it in a chest freezer overnight. Few insects
will survive the rapid drop in temperature. A week to a fortnight in the
freezer will kill even the hardy ones.
Tony Irwin

Dr A.G.Irwin, Natural History Department, Castle Museum Study Centre,
Shirehall, Market Avenue, Norwich NR1 3JQ, England.
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  I am trying to get an intact dead body of a particular type of insect to
photograph so I can have it identified, but it takes a long time for them to
die by starvation after I put them in a jar.  I noticed that a squirt of
Windex incapacitates them temporarily but does not kill them, so I dropped a
small bit of cotton wet with full-strength ammonium hydroxide into the jar
with a recently caught one, and it died quite quickly.  I am not, however,
looking forward to opening the jar.


  Is there some other common but deadly substance (other than RAID) that
would make a quick kill?


  Based on my Windex experience, I suggest it when you are trying to catch
insects without squashing them.  It may work on flying ones as well as
crawling ones.


  Barbara Appelbaum



  Appelbaum & Himmelstein
  444 Central Park West
  New York, NY  10025
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  212-316-1039 (fax)
  aa...@mindspring.com
  website: aandhconservation.org










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Re: [pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

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Our local agricultural extension requires them to be put (submerged)  in
Isopropyl alcohol. At least maybe they can get drunk before they die!
Sharlane Gubkin


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> I am trying to get an intact dead body of a particular type of insect to
> photograph so I can have it identified, but it takes a long time for them
> to die by starvation after I put them in a jar.  I noticed that a squirt of
> Windex incapacitates them temporarily but does not kill them, so I dropped
> a small bit of cotton wet with full-strength ammonium hydroxide into the
> jar with a recently caught one, and it died quite quickly.  I am not,
> however, looking forward to opening the jar.
>
> Is there some other common but deadly substance (other than RAID) that
> would make a quick kill?
>
> Based on my Windex experience, I suggest it when you are trying to catch
> insects without squashing them.  It may work on flying ones as well as
> crawling ones.
>
> Barbara Appelbaum
>
> *Appelbaum & Himmelstein*
> *444 Central Park West*
> *New York, NY  10025*
> *212-666-4630 (voice)*
> *212-316-1039 (fax)*
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[pestlist] killing bugs and leaving a beautiful corpse

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I am trying to get an intact dead body of a particular type of insect to 
photograph so I can have it identified, but it takes a long time for them to 
die by starvation after I put them in a jar.  I noticed that a squirt of Windex 
incapacitates them temporarily but does not kill them, so I dropped a small bit 
of cotton wet with full-strength ammonium hydroxide into the jar with a 
recently caught one, and it died quite quickly.  I am not, however, looking 
forward to opening the jar.  

Is there some other common but deadly substance (other than RAID) that would 
make a quick kill?

Based on my Windex experience, I suggest it when you are trying to catch 
insects without squashing them.  It may work on flying ones as well as crawling 
ones.

Barbara Appelbaum

Appelbaum & Himmelstein
444 Central Park West
New York, NY  10025
212-666-4630 (voice)
212-316-1039 (fax)
aa...@mindspring.com
website: aandhconservation.org







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