Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 01/03/2018 09:00 AM, Alvaro Herrera wrote: Joshua D. Drake wrote: There's already https://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/21853-general which seems to work pretty well. Here's the list of completed items: https://postgresql.uservoice.com/forums/21853-general?status_id=124172 Well that's in

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Heck we could go a step further and actually allow (authenticated) voting on > various features. This would provide the community the ability to more > easily interact with -hackers on various features that would be desirable. There's already https://postgresql.uservoice.

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On 1/3/18 11:10, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > This text was added by [1] as saying: > > This list contains '''some known PostgreSQL bugs and feature > > requests''' and we hope it contains all such > (before this, it said "all known Pg bugs" which seemed too optimistic, > so the correction w

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 01/03/2018 07:49 AM, Jeff Janes wrote: O.k. what does it tell us though? Is it a resource issue? Is it a barrier of entry issue? Lack of ownership/ruthlessness.  While I can edit it to remove items that don't seem desirable (or comprehensible, or whatever) I'm not likely to do so, unless

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Alvaro Herrera
I think deleting the TODO list is a bad idea -- it contains very useful pointers to previous discussion on hard topics. Jeff Janes wrote: > On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > > It also has a note at the top saying we think it's complete, but we > > don't think that, or I don'

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Jeff Janes
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: >>> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Jeff Janes
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, David G. Johnston > wrote: > > It probably needs three sub-sections. Fist the raw ideas put forth by > > people not capable of implementation but needing capabilities; these get > > moved to one of two section

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-03 Thread Vik Fearing
On 01/03/2018 03:50 AM, David Rowley wrote: > On 3 January 2018 at 13:12, Patrick Krecker wrote: >> As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can >> offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing >> *some* starting point for new contributors in the form o

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread David Rowley
On 3 January 2018 at 13:12, Patrick Krecker wrote: > As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can > offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing > *some* starting point for new contributors in the form of concrete > problems to solve. The value I hope

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Stephen Frost
Greetings, * Patrick Krecker (pkrec...@gmail.com) wrote: > As a person looking to become a postgres contributor, perhaps I can > offer some perspective on this. I think there is value in providing > *some* starting point for new contributors in the form of concrete > problems to solve. The value I

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Patrick Krecker
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 3:42 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote: >> >> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's no

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On 01/02/2018 11:17 AM, Robert Haas wrote: On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort into i

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Stephen Frost
Robert, * Robert Haas (robertmh...@gmail.com) wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > > The todo entry even talks about why it's difficult to do and what the > > expected way to go about doing it is (that is, connect to each database > > that has objects in the tablespace

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Robert Haas
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:02 PM, David G. Johnston wrote: > It probably needs three sub-sections. Fist the raw ideas put forth by > people not capable of implementation but needing capabilities; these get > moved to one of two sections: ideas that have gotten some attention by core > that have me

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Robert Haas
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 1:51 PM, Stephen Frost wrote: > The todo entry even talks about why it's difficult to do and what the > expected way to go about doing it is (that is, connect to each database > that has objects in the tablespace and query it to find out what's in > the tablespace). Craig'

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2018-01-02 Thread Robert Haas
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 2:31 PM, Peter Geoghegan wrote: > On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: >> If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not >> worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort >> into it ... > > If somebody was going to r

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2017-12-31 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 10:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not > worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort > into it ... If somebody was going to resolve to put some effort into maintaining it to a high standard

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2017-12-31 Thread David G. Johnston
On Sun, Dec 31, 2017 at 11:42 AM, Tom Lane wrote: > Robert Haas writes: > > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of > > project ideas, and that's bad. > > If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not > worth keeping it around. But I'd rather

Re: TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2017-12-31 Thread Stephen Frost
Tom, Robert, all, * Tom Lane (t...@sss.pgh.pa.us) wrote: > Robert Haas writes: > > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of > > project ideas, and that's bad. > > If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not > worth keeping it around. But I'd

TODO list (was Re: Contributing with code)

2017-12-31 Thread Tom Lane
Robert Haas writes: > Also, let's delete the TODO list. People keep using it as a source of > project ideas, and that's bad. If we're not going to maintain/curate it properly, I agree it's not worth keeping it around. But I'd rather see somebody put some effort into it ...