Re: [HACKERS] Buffer access rules, and a probable bug

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers) writes: > Here, backend B is a good citizen and locks while it makes its change. No, backend B wasn't a good citizen: it should have been holding exclusive lock on the buffer. > Also, as hints, would it be Bad(tm) if an attempt to clear one failed? Clearing hint

Re: [HACKERS] stuck spin lock with many concurrent users

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> If you estimate that a process dispatch cycle is ~ 10 microseconds, >> then waking 999 useless processes every 10 msec is just about enough >> to consume 100% of the CPU doing nothing useful... > Don't we back off the sleeps or was that code removed?

Re: [HACKERS] stuck spin lock with many concurrent users

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Hiroshi Inoue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > DeadLockCheck: real time >> > min | max | avg > -+---+- > 0 | 87671 | 3463.6996197719 >> > DeadLockCheck: user time >> > min | max | avg > -+-+--- > 0 | 330 | 14.2205323194 >> > DeadLockCheck:

Re: [HACKERS] Re: Buffer access rules, and a probable bug

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Okay, on to the next concern. I've been thinking some more about the restrictions needed to make the world safe for concurrent VACUUM. I previously said: > 5. To physically remove a tuple or compact free space on a page, one > must hold a pin and an exclusive lock, *and* observe while holding th

Re: [HACKERS] Help with SI buffer overflow error

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Matthew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > NOTICE: RegisterSharedInvalid: SI buffer overflow > NOTICE: InvalidateSharedInvalid: cache state reset These are normal; at most they suggest that you've got another backend sitting around doing nothing (but in an open transaction) while VACUUM runs. I think

Re: [HACKERS] New SQL Datatype RECURRINGCHAR

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
"Rod Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is rather like MySQL's enum. Yes. If we were going to do anything like this, I'd vote for stealing the "enum" API, lock stock and barrel --- might as well be compatible. regards, tom lane ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] funny (cache (?)) bug in postgres (7.x tested)

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
RISKO Gergely <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I found a funny bug in postgres with c functions. (or feature??) Scribbling on your input datum is verboten. palloc a new value to return. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)

Re: [HACKERS] Buffer access rules, and a probable bug

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers) writes: > On Mon, Jul 02, 2001 at 09:40:25PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: >> 4. It is considered OK to update tuple commit status bits (ie, OR the >> values HEAP_XMIN_COMMITTED, HEAP_XMIN_INVALID, HEAP_XMAX_COMMITTED, or >> HEAP_XMAX_INVALID into t_infomask) while holdin

Re: [HACKERS] New SQL Datatype RECURRINGCHAR

2001-07-03 Thread Rod Taylor
This is rather like MySQL's enum. I still opt for the join, and if you like make a view for those who don't want to know the data structure. -- Rod Taylor Your eyes are weary from staring at the CRT. You feel sleepy. Notice how restful it is to watch the cursor blink. Close your eyes. The opinio

Re: [HACKERS] Re: Backup and Recovery

2001-07-03 Thread Rod Taylor
> With stock PostgreSQL... how many committed transactions can one lose > on a simple system crash/reboot? With Oracle or Informix, the answer > is zero. Is that true with PostgreSQL in fsync mode? If not, does it > lose all in the log, or just those not yet written to the DB? With WAL the theory

RE: [HACKERS] Re: Backup and Recovery

2001-07-03 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
> With stock PostgreSQL... how many committed transactions can one lose > on a simple system crash/reboot? With Oracle or Informix, the answer > is zero. Is that true with PostgreSQL in fsync mode? If not, does it It's true or better say should be, keeping in mind probability of bugs. > lose all

Re: [HACKERS] stuck spin lock with many concurrent users

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Tatsuo Ishii <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I added some codes into HandleDeadLock to measure how long > LockLockTable and DeadLOckCheck calls take. Followings are the result > in running pgbench -c 1000 (it failed with stuck spin lock > error). "real time" shows how long they actually run (using >

Re: [HACKERS] selecting from cursor

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Alex Pilosov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > True true. On other hand, unlike union, its automatically typechecked, you > cannot by mistake reference a field you shouldn't be referencing. Only true to the extent that you have cast a generic pointer to the correct type to begin with. However, we've

Re: [HACKERS] [OT] Any major users of postgresql?

2001-07-03 Thread Bill Studenmund
On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Joe Brenner wrote: > The reason I'm asking is that the place that I work is > actually contemplating reverting from Oracle's expensive > bugs to MySQL's (supposedly) cheap ones. They'd consider > postgresql, but they figure that with MySQL they can at > least point to sites t

RE: [HACKERS] Re: Buffer access rules, and a probable bug

2001-07-03 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
> On further thought, btbuild is not that badly broken at the moment, > because CREATE INDEX acquires ShareLock on the relation, so > there can be no concurrent writers at the page level. Still, it > seems like it'd be a good idea to do "LockBuffer(buffer, BUFFER_LOCK_SHARE)" > here, and probably

Re: [HACKERS] selecting from cursor

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Alex Pilosov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Tue, 3 Jul 2001, Tom Lane wrote: >> So you have four (soon to be six or seven) different structs that *must* >> have the same fields? I don't think that's cleaner than a union ... > Please see my diffs. Its implemented via #define to declare all comm

Re: [HACKERS] Re: Buffer access rules, and a probable bug

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Hiroshi Inoue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Tom Lane wrote: >> I believe that nbtree.c's btbuild() code is currently in violation of >> these rules, because it calls HeapTupleSatisfiesNow() while holding a >> pin but no lock on the containing buffer. > OK, we had better avoid using heapam routine

[HACKERS] Re: New data type: uniqueidentifier

2001-07-03 Thread Thomas Swan
Where can I find some more information on it?  I'm curious now. Alex Pilosov wrote: On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Thomas Swan wrote: I sit corrected. *slightly humbled*Why not do an unsigned int16 to hold your UUID generated numbers. Not a good idea, since rules for comparison of U

Re: AW: [HACKERS] selecting from cursor

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Zeugswetter Andreas SB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > this. Given that cursors (are supposed to) support FETCH BACKWARDS, > I really don't see why they shouldn't be expected to handle ReScan... >> I thought only scrollable cursors can do that. What if cursor isn't >> scrollable? Should it error du

Re: [HACKERS] selecting from cursor

2001-07-03 Thread Tom Lane
Alex Pilosov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> And what are you doing with the places that don't care which kind of RTE >> they are dealing with (which is most of them IIRC)? While you haven't > They just have things declared as RangeTblEntry *, and as long as they > don't access type-specific fiel

AW: [HACKERS] selecting from cursor

2001-07-03 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB
> > That's gonna have to be fixed. If you're not up for it, don't implement > > this. Given that cursors (are supposed to) support FETCH BACKWARDS, > > I really don't see why they shouldn't be expected to handle ReScan... > I thought only scrollable cursors can do that. What if cursor isn't > sc