ll-in work left to be done.
Portability is hard. C programmers have known this for some time -- but
the RPM specfile doesn't really lend itself to vast portability.
Although, I am learning some real tricks that really help.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Tom, try out a PPC build on this one. I know of one problem that I have
to fix -- postgresql-perl fails dependencies for libpq.so (I backed out
the patch to Makefile.shlib).
The backend seems to build OK, but the build fails
Lane for finding this.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
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(backed by PostgreSQL since late
1997!), but the 2.5GB a day out the RealServer is the big hit
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Lamar Owen writes:
Ok, I have a first set of 7.1beta3 RPMs uploading now. These RPMs pass
regression on my home RedHat 6.2 machine, which has all locale environment
variables disabled (/etc/sysconfig/i18n deleted and a reboot).
Some thoughts:
Re: rpm-pgsql
catalogs now -- it just has to be made accessible.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
doing. This is a fix for the broken rpm setup found on Linux-PPC, as
found by Tom Lane. It would be marvelous if this would be expendable at
this juncture.
It is. 7.1 builds cleanly on PPC without any CFLAGS hackery. I think
we
Tom Lane wrote:
Let me know when you think the 7.1 RPM specfile is stable enough to be
worth testing, and I'll try to build PPC RPMs.
Ok. Should be coincident with -2. I'm planning to have a -2 out later
this week.
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Trond Eivind Glomsrd wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
In particular, this was and is a RedHat-made change. It does not break
anything that I am aware of, and allows the distributions to do their
thing as well.
Note that this wasn't included in Red Hat Linux 7... it's been
from prior RPM's removed from spec file.
pg_config in -devel rpm.
pg_upgrade removed.
And others -- see the changelog in the spec file.
BETA TEST USE ONLY!
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-- BY REQUEST. Please don't make me regret not waiting until a
release candidate :-).
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:-).
There are substantial differences -- and that's BEFORE I reorg the packages!
But, now's a good time to reorg, since whole directories are moving around
Upgrading from prior releases will be unsupported for this first beta.
More details later. Time to go to bed
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inbox, I don't see the post anywhere.
Hmmm Not in trash either, which I didn't empty yesterday.
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Bruce Momjian wrote:
Lamar Owen wrote:
Now that I look through my inbox, I don't see the post anywhere.
Hmmm Not in trash either, which I didn't empty yesterday.
That is strange. I saw it on those lists.
I've been seeing some odd e-mail propagation lately.
I want to say I
Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Lamar Owen writes:
Does the python build stuff use DESTDIR these days?
It does not. You'd have to delve into the internals of the
Python-provided makefiles. I might just have to do that, but if you want
to look then let me know because this should get fixed
to expect an absolutely virgin contrib module to work
everywhere in order to pass regress tests?
Last I checked, two contrib modules had to be built for regression
testing. But that was 7.0. (autoinc and refint.).
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm unhappy again. Bad enough we accepted a new feature during beta;
now we're going to expect an absolutely virgin contrib module to work
everywhere in order to pass regress tests?
Last I checked, two contrib modules had
In Linux Weekly News, an Interview with Bruce (from Nov 30):
http://lwn.net/2001/features/Momjian/
:-)
Go get'em, Bruce
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Lamar Owen writes:
Enlighten me. DESTDIR does?
It installs files at a different place than where they will eventually
reside. E.g., if your --prefix is /usr/local and DESTDIR=/var/tmp/foo
then the files will end up in /var/tmp/foo/usr/local. This is exactly
issue, meaning,
while I will be developing patches for the RPM build, I won't expect
those to be integrated into the main tarball.
So, I'm plugging at it
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Oliver Elphick wrote:
Emmanuel Charpentier wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am inclined to wait until a Release Candidate, if we have one this go
around, is available before releasing RPM's, but my mind can be
changed :-)
Please do make
a Release Candidate, if we have one this go
around, is available before releasing RPM's, but my mind can be
changed :-)
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I am inclined to wait until a Release Candidate, if we have one this go
around, is available before releasing RPM's, but my mind can be
changed :-)
Please do make beta RPMs available. Seems to me that there's a
fair-size
he 7.0
RPM changes (from 6.5), and the change is positive this time.
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for the feedback I have received thus far!
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square peg for square holes.
Choice of license for PostgreSQL is not negotiable. I don't say that as
an edict from Lamar Owen (after all, I am in no position to edict
anything :-)) -- I say that as a studied observation of the last times
this subject has come up.
I personally prefer GPL. But my personal
event.
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to SMP.
And I say that even after using a multithreaded webserver (AOLserver)
for three and a half years. Of course, AOLserver also sanely uses the
multi process PostgreSQL backends in a pooled fashion, but that's beside
the point.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Lamar Owen writes:
Ok, let me repeat -- the '--enable-locale' setting will not affect the
collation sequence problem on RedHat. If you set PostgreSQL to use
locale, it uses it. If you configure PostgreSQL to not use locale
. And, on the RPM dist, Makefile.global
isn't (yet) packaged.
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the /usr/src/redhat/SPECS
dir. You will then have a source tree primed for building whatever in
/usr/src/redhat/BUILD/postgresql-x.y.z (where x.y.z is the version, of
course). You will need python-devel installed in order to do that,
however.
HTH.
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Lamar Owen writes:
Yes, I want to ignore their default.
If you want to do that then the infinitely better solution is to compile
without locale support in the first place. (Make the locale-enabled
server a separate package.) Alternatively, the locale
.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Oh, and to make matters that much worse, on a RedHat system it doesn't
matter if you build with or without --enable-locale -- locale support is
in the libc used, and locale support gets used regardless of what you
select
Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Collation was the same, regardless of the --enable-locale
setting. I got lots of 'bug' reports about the RPM's failing
Hmm. I reviewed that thread and found this comment from you:
: In a nutshell, yes. /etc/sysconfig/i18n
.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I think your complaints about RedHat's default are right back in your
lap ;-). Do you want to ignore their default, or not?
Yes, I want to ignore their default. This problem is more than just
cosmetic, thanks to the bugs that sparked
's problem that
RPM_OPT_FLAGS has a non-default char signage for PPC. So, the short
term fix is to patch our spec file (which we've done for PPC).
The person to inform of generic RPM issues is Jeff Johnson
([EMAIL PROTECTED]), aka Mr. Rpm.
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rsion to the next.
All in all, sounds like you;ve done your homework again, Tom.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is a great side-effect. Now, if there were a way to initdb just
template0, leaving everything else in place, then rebuilding template1
I'm missing something --- I don't see how this affects pg_upgrade one
way or the other, except
everyone's opinions into account.
This discussion just reaffirms to me why the PostgreSQL project is one
of, if not _the_, best run open source projects out there.
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will post a summary to announce/general today.
Good. And a welcome back to Tom as well, as he went too, IIRC.
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-- in fact, contrib tree changes, being
that they're by nature not a part of the main tree, probably can be
accomodated even when main tree changes can't.
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I say this because I found at least one such change -- REL7_0_PATCHES,
unlike 7.0.2, has an '--enable-syslog' configure switch.
That's probably the only one, since by back-patching it Marc was
violating one of our standard rules
functionality belongs in 7.1. Until beta -- and then a freeze
there.
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we can get a plan for a solution.
RPM's are expected to 'rpm -U' and you can simply _use_ the new version,
with little to no preparation. At least that is the theory. And it
works for most packages.
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Peter Eisentraut wrote:
Lamar Owen writes:
Getting the installation that 'make install' spits out massaged into
an FHS compliant setup is the majority of the RPM's spec file.
./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc
Off you go... (I'll refrain from commenting further on the FHS.)
I
.
Oh, and MySQL beat us 2 to 1 on their 2000 Reader's choice awards. We
came in second. The only other contender was Oracle. But, we were ONLY
beat 2 to 1. That is an improvement.
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this message may be more incoherent than my
normal scattered self]
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Tom Lane wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unfortunately RPM deems a dependency upon libpq.so.2.0 to not be
fulfilled by libpq.so.2.1 (how _can_ it know? A client linked to 2.0
might fail if 2.1 were to be loaded under it (hypothetically)).
If so, I claim RPM is broken
hat I've had to work
around in the past. My current headache won't let me think straight
right now, which makes it likely that I won't effectively communicate
the issues.
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Trond Eivind Glomsrød wrote:
Lamar Owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Unfortunately RPM deems a dependency upon libpq.so.2.0 to not be
fulfilled by libpq.so.2.1 (how _can_ it know? A client linked to 2.0
might fail if 2.1 were to be loaded under it (hypothetically)).
There usually
on my time and effort, as well as Trond's and others,
to get the RPM upgrade working even remotely smoothly. And I am willing
to code -- once I know how to go about doing it in the backend.
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rebuilt with -O2 or less.
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Bruce Guenter wrote:
On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 10:25:14AM -0400, Lamar Owen wrote:
The point being is that if we offer the protocol to do it, we had better
ensure its security, or someone WILL find the hole. Hopefully it will
be people who want to help security and not exploit it.
IMO
Bachelor's degree in Electronics Engineering Technology. Oh
well. Even I have a job to do!
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, if I'm wrong about the placement of the socket, well, I'm just
wrong -- but the vhosting feature is still nice.
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Here's some news for you:
www.royal.com, website for Royal Corp (you know, the cash
register/typewriter people) is being backed by OpenACS, which runs on
top of AOLserver + PostgreSQL. See the results as www.royal.com.
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o a single private
directory tree.
No one is advocating removing the 'traditional' packaging from the
options -- least of all me. Choice and flexibility are my bywords.
Currently, the PostgreSQL installation is very inflexible WRT the
directories under the installation dir.
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as part of the build if python-devel isn't there.
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