Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread Bruce Momjian
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Does anyone have anything ready to put into CVS as soon as we start v7.5, or shortly afterwards? Check bruce's 7.5 patches list (can't remember the address though :) ) I have this COMMENT ON thing ready to go, except for this darn taking in unsigned

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread Jan Wieck
Stephan Szabo wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: rule/foreign key interaction reported by Michele Bendazzoli In the interests of disclosure, if the case in question for the rule fails, almost certainly

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Jan Wieck wrote: Stephan Szabo wrote: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: rule/foreign key interaction reported by Michele Bendazzoli In the interests of disclosure, if the case in

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread scott.marlowe
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Joshua D. Drake wrote: If I understood correctly, Josh was complaining about VACUUM sucking too much of his disk bandwidth. autovacuum wouldn't help that --- in fact would likely make it worse, since a cron-driven vacuum script can at least be scheduled for low-load

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread Christopher Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (scott.marlowe) writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Joshua D. Drake wrote: If I understood correctly, Josh was complaining about VACUUM sucking too much of his disk bandwidth. autovacuum wouldn't help that --- in fact would likely make it worse, since a cron-driven vacuum script

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 23:13, Bruce Momjian wrote: If we do a short cycle, will we have enough features to justify a release? We could try to get PITR and Win32 done by January 1 and see if that can happen. It's worth noting that we've thought about doing quick major releases in the past,

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-31 Thread Andrew Dunstan
] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday On Thu, 2003-10-30 at 23:13, Bruce Momjian wrote: If we do a short cycle, will we have enough features to justify a release? We could try to get PITR and Win32 done by January 1 and see if that can happen. It's worth noting that we've thought about doing quick

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Hello, I know I will probably be flamed into oblivion for this but I would like to make a suggestion about the upcoming release. What if we delayed until the end of the year? The two reasons that I can come up with are: 1. The irritating (but work around capable) bigint index issue.

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Lane
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What if we delayed until the end of the year? Nope, not for those items. There is still some thought of a very short release cycle (a few months) for 7.5, and we could possibly address the vacuum issue in that timeframe, if the recent ideas about it

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Sooner or later you have to say this release is done, let's ship it. It's way too late to go back into invention mode for 7.4. I agree with the argument. It is just that the Vacuum one... well is very tempting. On the 7.5 cycle though... I thought 7.5 was basically for win32? Sincerely,

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread scott.marlowe
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Hello, I know I will probably be flamed into oblivion for this but I would like to make a suggestion about the upcoming release. What if we delayed until the end of the year? The two reasons that I can come up with are: 1.

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Lane
scott.marlowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are these folks for whom the autovacuum daemon provides no relief? If I understood correctly, Josh was complaining about VACUUM sucking too much of his disk bandwidth. autovacuum wouldn't help that --- in fact would likely make it worse, since a

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Joshua D. Drake
If I understood correctly, Josh was complaining about VACUUM sucking too much of his disk bandwidth. autovacuum wouldn't help that --- in fact would likely make it worse, since a cron-driven vacuum script can at least be scheduled for low-load times of day. autovacuum is likely to kick in at

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Nope, not for those items. There is still some thought of a very short release cycle (a few months) for 7.5, and we could possibly address the vacuum issue in that timeframe, if the recent ideas about it prove out. But there is no consensus on how to fix the integer-index issues, and I'm not

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Lane
Tatsuo Ishii [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The idea of very short release cycle for 7.5 is interesting. What is the core's decision for point-in-time-recovery? Maybe the decision is 7.5 does not include point-in-time-recovery? We'd like to have it in 7.5. Whether it will get done in time is

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: rule/foreign key interaction reported by Michele Bendazzoli In the interests of disclosure, if the case in question for the rule fails, almost certainly deferred fk constraints will as well which I think makes this a must fix for 7.4 and is another push to

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, David Fetter wrote: On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:08:43PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Barring the discovery of any major new bugs, the core committee has agreed to release 7.4RC1 on Monday. Time to get those last-minute fixes in place. I currently have the following

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Joshua D. Drake wrote: Sooner or later you have to say this release is done, let's ship it. It's way too late to go back into invention mode for 7.4. I agree with the argument. It is just that the Vacuum one... well is very tempting. On the 7.5 cycle though... I

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Nope, not for those items. There is still some thought of a very short release cycle (a few months) for 7.5, and we could possibly address the vacuum issue in that timeframe, if the recent ideas about it prove out. But there is no consensus on

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Doug McNaught
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, David Fetter wrote: Any chance of putting up a torrent for it? I'd be happy to host, but I'd have to get the link on the downloads page somehow :) Put up a what ... ? Google for BitTorrent. It's a pretty darn cool app

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
Does anyone have anything ready to put into CVS as soon as we start v7.5, or shortly afterwards? Check bruce's 7.5 patches list (can't remember the address though :) ) I have this COMMENT ON thing ready to go, except for this darn taking in unsigned ints from the parser business that I haven't

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Nope, not for those items. There is still some thought of a very short release cycle (a few months) for 7.5, and we could possibly address the vacuum issue in that timeframe, if the recent ideas about it prove out.

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
I meant related to PITR? :) On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Fri, 31 Oct 2003, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Nope, not for those items. There is still some thought of a very short release cycle (a few months) for 7.5, and we could possibly address

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Oh, sorry, only read your part --- I have not heard anything about PITR from Patrick. I talked to him about a month ago and he hadn't made much headway. --- Marc G. Fournier wrote: I meant related to PITR? :) On

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have anything ready to put into CVS as soon as we start v7.5, or shortly afterwards? That brings up another question, which is when to create the REL7_4_STABLE branch in CVS. Offhand I think it would be good to do it when we make RC1; any

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread David Fetter
On Thu, Oct 30, 2003 at 09:51:24PM -0500, Doug McNaught wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, David Fetter wrote: Any chance of putting up a torrent for it? I'd be happy to host, but I'd have to get the link on the downloads page somehow :)

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Christopher Browne
The world rejoiced as [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Joshua D. Drake) wrote: 2. More importantly the recent potential discovery by Jan on vacuum. I have several high end users that are really beating their heads against the wall with even lazy vacuum because of how brutal it can be on the system. If

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tatsuo Ishii wrote: Nope, not for those items. There is still some thought of a very short release cycle (a few months) for 7.5, and we could possibly address the vacuum issue in that timeframe, if the recent ideas about it prove out. But there is no consensus on how to fix the

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Jan Wieck
Joshua D. Drake wrote: Sooner or later you have to say this release is done, let's ship it. It's way too late to go back into invention mode for 7.4. I agree with the argument. It is just that the Vacuum one... well is very tempting. Since improving the buffer cache policy will not change any

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Lane
Jan Wieck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since improving the buffer cache policy will not change any visible functionality other than performance ... maybe you want to convince some people that if we find a substantial improvement for the cache policy soon to put it into a 7.4.x release. It's

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Tom Lane
Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: rule/foreign key interaction reported by Michele Bendazzoli In the interests of disclosure, if the case in question for the rule fails, almost certainly deferred fk constraints will as well which I think makes this

Re: [HACKERS] 7.4RC1 planned for Monday

2003-10-30 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Thu, 30 Oct 2003, Tom Lane wrote: rule/foreign key interaction reported by Michele Bendazzoli In the interests of disclosure, if the case in question for the rule fails, almost certainly deferred fk