[HACKERS] Three-byte Unicode characters

2005-04-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
[ This email to hackers from last night got lost so I am remailing.] Tom Lane wrote: John Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That is backpatched to 8.0.X. Does that not fix the problem reported? No, as andrew said, what this patch does, is allow values 0x and at the same time

Re: [HACKERS] Three-byte Unicode characters

2005-04-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian wrote: So, we do have a bug, and we are probably going to need to fix it in 8.0.X. This has never worked in all the years we have had Unicode functionality, so I don't understand why we have to rush to fix it now. Certainly, it ought to be fixed, but not in a minor release. --

Re: [HACKERS] Unicode problems on IRC

2005-04-10 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2005-04-10, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The impression I get is that most of the 'Unicode characters above 0x1' reports we've seen did not come from people who actually needed more-than-16-bit Unicode codepoints, but from people who had screwed up their encoding settings and were

[HACKERS] static genericcostestimate

2005-04-10 Thread Ramy M. Hassan
Hi, The genericcostestimate function is currently static. This limits the development of new access methods as loadable modules without touching pgsql sources. Currently I have to include a copy of the function in the module, which is obviously too bad. Is there any reason to keep this function

Re: [HACKERS] Three-byte Unicode characters

2005-04-10 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bruce Momjian wrote: So, we do have a bug, and we are probably going to need to fix it in 8.0.X. This has never worked in all the years we have had Unicode functionality, so I don't understand why we have to rush to fix it now. Certainly, it

Re: [HACKERS] Unicode problems on IRC

2005-04-10 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew - Supernews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2005-04-10, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The impression I get is that most of the 'Unicode characters above 0x1' reports we've seen did not come from people who actually needed more-than-16-bit Unicode codepoints, but from people who had

Re: [HACKERS] static genericcostestimate

2005-04-10 Thread Tom Lane
Ramy M. Hassan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The genericcostestimate function is currently static. This limits the development of new access methods as loadable modules without touching pgsql sources. Currently I have to include a copy of the function in the module, which is obviously too bad.

Re: [HACKERS] Three-byte Unicode characters

2005-04-10 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 10 Apr 2005, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: So, we do have a bug, and we are probably going to need to fix it in 8.0.X. This has never worked in all the years we have had Unicode functionality, so I don't understand why we have to rush to fix it now. Certainly, it ought to be

Re: [HACKERS] static genericcostestimate

2005-04-10 Thread Ramy M. Hassan
Tom Lane wrote: Ramy M. Hassan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The genericcostestimate function is currently static. This limits the development of new access methods as loadable modules without touching pgsql sources. Currently I have to include a copy of the function in the module, which is

Re: [HACKERS] Unicode problems on IRC

2005-04-10 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2005-04-10, Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew - Supernews [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think you will find that this impression is actually false. Or that at the very least, _correct_ verification of UTF-8 sequences will still catch essentially all cases of non-utf-8 input mislabelled

[HACKERS] Raise Exception

2005-04-10 Thread Mario Reis
Dear Sir, I' ve recently join to PostGreSql community. I'm testing it on a local network and I'm very found of it . However there are a few things that I'd like to understand better. As far as i realise, every time the Server validates a wrong value for an input it Raises an Exception with

Re: [HACKERS] Should we still require RETURN in plpgsql?

2005-04-10 Thread Terry Yapt
Hello... On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 02:28:23 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Lane) wrote: How does Oracle's PL/SQL handle this? On ORACLE a FUNCTION MUST return a value. If the FUNCTION doesn't return a value Oracle give a 'hint' on FUNCTION compilation and error on SELECT function invocation:

[HACKERS] Case Sensitivity

2005-04-10 Thread juan
Is there a way to set case sensitivity on? Thanks in advance juan

[HACKERS] Catching DDL events (or equivalent functionality)

2005-04-10 Thread Master of the beasts
Hi, I know that you can not (and maybe should not) install triggers on system catalogs. But, if I want to catch certain DDL events (such as adding a column), is there any way to do it in PostgreSQL? Maybe, it could be useful that the triggers (installed on normal tables) can be fired not only

Re: [HACKERS] Recognizing range constraints (was Re: [PERFORM] Plan

2005-04-10 Thread John A Meinel
Tom Lane wrote: Jim C. Nasby [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, Apr 06, 2005 at 06:09:37PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Can anyone suggest a more general rule? Do we need for example to consider whether the relation membership is the same in two clauses that might be opposite sides of a range

Re: [HACKERS] Tab-completion feature ?

2005-04-10 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 After the TO there is one space and the cursor is after that space I press tab and I get leda=# ALTER TABLE any_table RENAME TO TO What is happening is that psql is simply assuming that the first TO may be the name of a column you are about to

Re: [HACKERS] Unicode problems on IRC

2005-04-10 Thread John Hansen
On 2005-04-10, Tom Lane tgl ( at ) sss ( dot ) pgh ( dot ) pa ( dot ) us wrote: Andrew - Supernews andrew+nonews ( at ) supernews ( dot ) com writes: I think you will find that this impression is actually false. Or that at the very least, _correct_ verification of UTF-8 sequences will still

Re: [HACKERS] Case Sensitivity

2005-04-10 Thread Euler Taveira de Oliveira
Ola' juan, Is there a way to set case sensitivity on? No. Discussions about this thread are in the archives (http://archives.postgresql.org). Take a look at: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/interactive/sql-syntax.html#SQL-SYNTAX-IDENTIFIERS Euler Taveira de Oliveira euler[at]yahoo_com_br

Re: [HACKERS] [PATCHES] DELETE ... USING

2005-04-10 Thread Josh Berkus
Bruce, If everyone else is OK with having it fail, that is fine with me, but I wanted to make sure folks saw this was happening. I basically saw no discussion that we were disabling that syntax. [CC moved to hackers.] I believe we hashed this out when we added add_missing_from back in 7.3.

[HACKERS] System vs non-system casts

2005-04-10 Thread Jim C. Nasby
In working on the newsysviews project we've discovered that there's no definitive way to determine if a cast is a system cast (system as in part of postgresql/created by createdb) or not. What pg_dump does (and what we're doing now for lack of a better solution) is any cast that doesn't involve a

Re: [HACKERS] Unicode problems on IRC

2005-04-10 Thread Oliver Jowett
Tom Lane wrote: Yeah? Cool. Does John's proposed patch do it correctly? http://candle.pha.pa.us/mhonarc/patches2/msg00076.html Some comments on that patch: Doesn't pg_utf2wchar_with_len need changes for the longer sequences? UtfToLocal also appears to need changes. If we support

Re: [HACKERS] [PERFORM] Functionscan estimates

2005-04-10 Thread Josh Berkus
People: (HACKERS: Please read this entire thread at http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-performance/2005-04/msg00179.php Sorry for crossing this over.) The larger point is that writing an estimator for an SRF is frequently a task about as difficult as writing the SRF itself True,

Re: [HACKERS] Case Sensitivity

2005-04-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Apr 09, 2005 at 21:02:34 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to set case sensitivity on? In what context? If you are talking about mixed case table or column names, then you need to quote them with double quotes (). ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Unicode problems on IRC

2005-04-10 Thread Andrew - Supernews
On 2005-04-10, John Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's right, dono how I missed that one, but looks correct to me, and is in line with the code in ConvertUTF.c from unicode.org, on which I based the patch, extended to support 6 byte utf8 characters. Frankly, you should probably de-extend

[HACKERS] Question regarding clock-sweep

2005-04-10 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, Now that I'm beginning serious performance testing of clock-sweep, I was going back through the lock discussion and am not sure what the patch that actually went in 3 weeks ago consisted of. Is it clock-sweep with a used/unused bit or a counter? How is it handling seq scans? Oh, and

Re: [HACKERS] Question regarding clock-sweep

2005-04-10 Thread Neil Conway
Josh Berkus wrote: Oh, and incidentally, can I use the same database files for 8.0.2 and 8.1cvs 3/10/05? No. -Neil ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL