[HACKERS] 9.2 release schedule

2012-07-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
What are our plans for a 9.2 final release date?  If we wait until
September 1 to release our first release candidate, we will probably not
release final until mid/late September.  Is that what we want?

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Re: [HACKERS] Using pg_upgrade on log-shipping standby servers

2012-07-21 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On fre, 2012-07-20 at 13:11 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
 I think the commands to run after pg_upgrade --link completes on both
 primary and standby might be as easy as:
 
 cd /u/pg/pgsql.old/data
 find . -links 1 -exec cp {} /u/pgsql/data \;
 
 Why would we want anything more complicated than this?

In practice these are on different machines, and the way the machines
are connected could vary wildly.  So an automated solution might be
difficult to find.


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Re: [HACKERS] Resetting libpq connections after an app error

2012-07-21 Thread Martijn van Oosterhout
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 01:08:58AM +0100, Daniele Varrazzo wrote:
 Hello,
 
 apologize for bumping the question to -hackers but I got no answer
 from -general. If there is a better ML to post it let me know.
 
 In a libpq application, if there is an application error between
 PQsendQuery and PQgetResult, is there a way to revert a connection
 back to an usable state (i.e. from transaction status ACTIVE to IDLE)
 without using the network in a blocking way? We are currently doing
 
 while (NULL != (res = PQgetResult(conn-pgconn))) {
 PQclear(res);
 }
 
 but this is blocking, and if the error had been caused by the network
 down, we'll just get stuck in a poll() waiting for a timeout.

There is PQreset(), which also exists in a non-blocking variant.

Hope this helps,
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Re: [HACKERS] Using pg_upgrade on log-shipping standby servers

2012-07-21 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 11:24:21AM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
 On fre, 2012-07-20 at 13:11 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
  I think the commands to run after pg_upgrade --link completes on both
  primary and standby might be as easy as:
  
  cd /u/pg/pgsql.old/data
  find . -links 1 -exec cp {} /u/pgsql/data \;
  
  Why would we want anything more complicated than this?
 
 In practice these are on different machines, and the way the machines
 are connected could vary wildly.  So an automated solution might be
 difficult to find.

Yeah, I was thinking of just suggesting scp as a doc example and let
users adjust that:

cd /u/pg/pgsql.old/data
find . -links 1 -exec scp {} postg...@momjian.us:/u/pgsql/data \;


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Re: [HACKERS] 9.2 release schedule

2012-07-21 Thread Peter Geoghegan
On 21 July 2012 08:08, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
 What are our plans for a 9.2 final release date?  If we wait until
 September 1 to release our first release candidate, we will probably not
 release final until mid/late September.  Is that what we want?

Personally I had hoped to see an earlier release date than that.

Can we finish the 9.2 release notes?

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Re: [HACKERS] Event Triggers reduced, v1

2012-07-21 Thread Robert Haas
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 2:12 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote:
 The Windows buildfarm members don't seem too happy with the latest
 patch.

 I'm looking at this now, but am so far mystified.  Something's
 obviously broken as regards how the trigger flags get set up, but if
 that were broken in a trivial way it would be broken everywhere, and
 it's not.  Will keep searching...

I think this is fixed now.  Let me know if anyone sees evidence of
remaining breakage.

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Re: [HACKERS] Resetting libpq connections after an app error

2012-07-21 Thread Tom Lane
Martijn van Oosterhout klep...@svana.org writes:
 On Sat, Jul 21, 2012 at 01:08:58AM +0100, Daniele Varrazzo wrote:
 In a libpq application, if there is an application error between
 PQsendQuery and PQgetResult, is there a way to revert a connection
 back to an usable state (i.e. from transaction status ACTIVE to IDLE)
 without using the network in a blocking way? We are currently doing

 There is PQreset(), which also exists in a non-blocking variant.

Note that PQreset essentially kills the connection and establishes a new
one, which might not be what Daniele is looking for.  The alternative
approach is to issue PQcancel and then just let the query flush out as
you normally would in an async application, ie PQisBusy/PQconsumeInput
until ready, then PQgetResult (which you throw away), repeat until you
get NULL.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] 9.2 release schedule

2012-07-21 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Geoghegan pe...@2ndquadrant.com writes:
 On 21 July 2012 08:08, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
 What are our plans for a 9.2 final release date?  If we wait until
 September 1 to release our first release candidate, we will probably not
 release final until mid/late September.  Is that what we want?

 Personally I had hoped to see an earlier release date than that.

Me too, but we are running out of time ... it's already late July.

I think the immediate goal must be to clear the list of open issues
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_9.2_Open_Items
and then get another beta out.

It seems unlikely that we could do a beta next week (for one thing,
certain key people are going to be out sailing...) but maybe we could
schedule the next beta for first Monday in August?  That gives us
about ten days to get the open issues dealt with before wrapping.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] [patch] libpq one-row-at-a-time API

2012-07-21 Thread Marko Kreen

Here is 2 approaches how to get to state where only PQsetSingleRowMode()
is available.  Both on top of REL9_2_STABLE branch.

a) Remove callback hooks, keep rowBuf, implement single-row-mode on
   top of that.   This was posted before, I just additionally removed
   the PQgetRowData() function.

git pull git://github.com/markokr/postgres.git single-row-mode1
https://github.com/markokr/postgres/commits/single-row-mode1

   Commits:
libpq: Single-row based processing
libpq, dblink: Remove row processor API

   Advantage: makes easier to play with PQgetRowData() or potatial
   faster PGresult creation methods.  Smaller change compared to
   libpq from 9.2beta than b).

b) Revert row-callback changes completely, implement single-row-mode on
   top of virgin libpq.  Only problem here was keeping fixes implemented
   as part of row-callback patch.  Single-row-mode itself is quite simple.

git pull git://github.com/markokr/postgres.git  single-row-mode1
https://github.com/markokr/postgres/commits/single-row-mode1

   Feature patch:

https://github.com/markokr/postgres/commit/b5e822125c655f189875401c61317242705143b9

   Commits:
dblink: revert conversion to row processor API patch
libpq: revert row processor API patch
libpq: random fixes
libpq: single-row mode
dblink: use single-row-mode

   Advantage: smaller change compared to libpq from 9.1 than a).

As the patch has suffered a lot from trying to provide both macro- and
micro-optimization (on-the-fly row processing vs. more efficient row
processing), maybe b) is safer choice for 9.2?

In case somebody wants to look at the patches without git (or web),
I attaches them as tgz too.

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Re: [HACKERS] 9.2 release schedule

2012-07-21 Thread Tom Lane
I wrote:
 Peter Geoghegan pe...@2ndquadrant.com writes:
 On 21 July 2012 08:08, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote:
 What are our plans for a 9.2 final release date?  If we wait until
 September 1 to release our first release candidate, we will probably not
 release final until mid/late September.  Is that what we want?

 Personally I had hoped to see an earlier release date than that.

 Me too, but we are running out of time ... it's already late July.

 I think the immediate goal must be to clear the list of open issues
 http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_9.2_Open_Items
 and then get another beta out.

It looks like the most optimistic schedule we could possibly make,
assuming no show-stopper bugs are reported, is:

* Wrap beta3 on August 2 for release Monday Aug 6

* RC1 two weeks later (release Aug 20)

* 9.2.0 two weeks after that (release Sept 3)

Now that schedule isn't actually going to work so far as the USA
contingent is concerned, because Sept 3 is Labor Day.  But we could
figure that there's room for one week's slip in there, either for
RC1 or final, giving us a release date of Sept 10.

Again, this is assuming no major bugs are found to force more slippage
or additional betas/RCs.  But I think it's reasonable to shoot for
If All Goes Well.

Comments, objections?

regards, tom lane

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Re: [HACKERS] [patch] libpq one-row-at-a-time API

2012-07-21 Thread Tom Lane
Marko Kreen mark...@gmail.com writes:
 Here is 2 approaches how to get to state where only PQsetSingleRowMode()
 is available.  Both on top of REL9_2_STABLE branch.

 a) Remove callback hooks, keep rowBuf, implement single-row-mode on
top of that.   This was posted before, I just additionally removed
the PQgetRowData() function.

 b) Revert row-callback changes completely, implement single-row-mode on
top of virgin libpq.  Only problem here was keeping fixes implemented
as part of row-callback patch.  Single-row-mode itself is quite simple.

Yeah, I was wondering if we shouldn't revisit the whole patch given that
where we're ending up looks little like where we thought we were going.
I hadn't had time to pursue the idea, but I'm glad you did.  Will look
at these.

One reason to stick with approach (a) is that it gives us the option
to easily add PQgetRowData(), in case future testing shows that that's
actually worth the risk and usage restrictions.  While I'm a bit dubious
of that, I'm prepared to be proven wrong.

regards, tom lane

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