On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 18:02 +0200, Guillaume Lelarge wrote:
I have to agree with Simon here. \d is ridiculous for the common user.
SHOW TABLES, SHOW COLUMNS makes a lot of sense. Just has something like
DESCRIBE TABLE foo makes a lot more sense than \d.
And would you add the
look like, rough as that process is.
So starting a discussion thread is the wrong way to achieve that? How
would you have me gain consensus if not this way?
I think you guys are talking past each other. I believe Kevin was in
fact stating that we needed to continue discussion.
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On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 18:48 +, Greg Sabino Mullane wrote:
P.S. What's with the uppercase mania in this thread? Can we
please get back to saying select * from tables
and show tables? :)
The standard specifies that it it should be uppercase.
:P
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On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 13:16 -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
Isn't that what the information_schema catalog is for?
I'd rather write:
SHOW TABLES;
then:
SELECT table_name
FROM information_schema.tables
WHERE table_type = 'BASE TABLE'
AND table_schema NOT IN
On Fri, 2010-07-09 at 00:58 -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
As decided at this years hackers conference, we are branching
REL9_0_STABLE *before* the release, instead of after.
The hope is that we won't be taking away resources from finishing the
release, but still allow ppl to continue to
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On Mon, 2010-07-12 at 23:28 +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
On mån, 2010-07-12 at 10:04 -0400, Greg Smith wrote:
Wasting the time of everyone in the community by sharing code that
doesn't mean any of the project guidelines is a very bad idea; please
don't do that again.
I think it's
for your different
requirements.
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Hello,
We need to make sure and send out multiple announcements of this. At
least 2 during the month of July.
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On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 10:34 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
On 06/24/2010 09:04 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
We need to make sure and send out multiple announcements of this. At
least 2 during the month of July.
Ach. I drafted an annoucement ... did I ever send it out?
Not sure
of the user.
Perhaps this has already been solved and I don't know about it. Does the
master-slave relationship have a built in ping mechanism that is
outside of the TCP protocol?
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that we have yet to decide; once
it's decided, someone will need to do it...
TCP involves unknowns, such as firewalls, vpn routers and ssh tunnels. I
humbly suggest we *not* be pedantic and implement something practical
and less prone to variables outside the control of Pg.
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key is for :)
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in the
table via that specific enum:
ALTER TABLE foo ALTER COLUMN bar VALUES (bar,baz,bing,foo)
ALTER TABLE would know its an enum and would perform proper operations
on the system table.
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just sounds and speels weird - PGAN was
much easier ;)
I actually like PGXN. PGXN is marketable. Yeah that may not be what
-hackers are after but if I stand up in front of a Fortune 500 company
and say, We have PGXN it sounds a heck of a lot better that PGAN.
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Stefan
. If I stand up
and say,
PostgreSQL has PGXN, the PostgreSQL Extension Network
Versus
PostgreSQL has PGAN, P can that Can, I am Pee gannning. What?
Anyway, a name is a name. We are PostgreSQL after all.
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, and I am the only one watching...
If it comes through during my business day, I moderate immediately
(assuming I am reading email)
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point
of view, doesn't exist. In other words, the database on the slave
would be silently corrupted.
I don't know what to do about this, but I'm pretty sure we can't ship it
as-is.
The slave must be able to survive a master crash.
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is
being selective in releasing some, yet not others?
Do we need some more moderators?
Yes.
Currently the only moderators for -announce are Marc and Greg S-M.
And me, and devrim and a number of others.
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moderate on the weekends. I was
the one that approved the PGXN email for example.
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On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 01:17 +0300, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
I don't moderate -announce.
Sorry. I thought you did.
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moderate but there are rules around my moderation just like anyone else.
I like Tatuso's idea.
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of PGX in PGXN :P).
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To make
for the project that states the following:
Where the source code will be hosted (for the project itself)
What license it will be released under
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On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:37 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Simon Riggs si...@2ndquadrant.com wrote:
I don't really understand this comment. I have said, and I believe,
that a system without quorum commit is simpler than one with quorum
commit. I'd debate the
across the country. It is
common, very common.
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If the code would be useful for other projects then keep it. If it is
only for a closed source product, dump it.
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lists and all the other goodies any MUA
will give you, I see no reason to have this all broken out anymore.
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. Ideas?
How about origin/subscriber? More descriptive than primary/secondary,
and less tied to a particular model of interaction.
Yes but completely out of scope within the market. Master/Slave or
Master/Standby is probably where it needs to be.
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of yahoos (no pun
intended) who are better served beating up on that database that Oracle
just bought, versus Oracle itself.
Patience is a virtue for all when it comes to the this feature.
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for it...
Not to mention, WAN based standby, timed standby etc...
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On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 22:34 +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:
On Wed, 2010-05-12 at 14:43 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
I thought that it
would be a good idea for Simon to look at it because, on the surface,
it APPEARS to have something to do with Hot Standby, since that's what
Stefan was testing
environmental factors.
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to change the name. Once its in contrib, we
likely never will and this isn't really a migration tool. It is an
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, as well as adding another set of potential failure
conditions which need to be monitored.
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On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 16:12 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Dimitri Fontaine dfonta...@hi-media.com
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Now you tell me how awful this idea really is :)
I'm not sure I can count that high. :-)
You don't have to...
NaN
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to have some of this code
turned on by default. But it is absolutely not in keeping with this
project's mindset or historical practice to enable it by default now.
regards, tom lane
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enable_standby_queries (nitpicky but it seems more appropriate)
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To make changes to your
by except with filesystem-level snapshot
capabilities?
Like LVM, SANS or ZFS.
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On Tue, 2010-04-20 at 18:23 +0100, Dave Page wrote:
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Robert Haas robertmh...@gmail.com wrote:
/me pushes luck
And how about a set of back-branch releases while we're at it?
Yes, please don't push your luck :-p
/me gives Dave an Easy button.
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On Thu, 2010-04-01 at 10:54 -0600, Scott Marlowe wrote:
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:05 AM, David E. Wheeler da...@kineticode.com
wrote:
On Apr 1, 2010, at 3:01 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
I prefer to dump all my data in a big text file and grep it for the
information I need.
As long
provide that list with nothing but a care bear
discussion.
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On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 19:10 -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
On Thu, 2010-03-18 at 10:18 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
It's already in the docs, so if they read it and understand
feel like it's our problem
to fix that. As far as I can tell, no promiment member of this
community agrees with any of the changes you are proposing.
Correct.
Not to mention as far as I understand it, 99% of this is resolved in
Drupal 7.
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. It is within our interest to work
with them but in a proper way. As I have said, Drupal 7 addresses most
of our concerns, so anything we want to complain about should be in the
interest of making sure Drupal 7 works properly, not previous versions.
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cheers
andrew
On Thu, 2010-03-04 at 11:23 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
I wrote:
Piyush Newe piyush.n...@enterprisedb.com writes:
create table tbl(col int);
create user usr;
grant select on tbl to usr;
\c postgres usr;
REVOKE SELECT on tbl from usr;
WARNING: no privileges could be revoked for tbl
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 11:33 -0500, Andrew Dunstan wrote:
Well, we could put in similar weasel words I guess. But after all,
Safe's very purpose is to provide a restricted execution environment, no?
We already do, in our license.
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cheers
andrew
that I ever mentioned this and I think it
is a terrible hack that we would mention it in the docs.
From a professional perspective, I cringe at the idea of telling a
customer to do this, not to mention it won't work on w32.
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the slave to run long-running
queries is a special case? One of the number one things I can see this
being used for is reporting
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with the
idea
of
high-availability.
I want my ability to run large batch queries without any performance
or reliability impact on the primary server.
+1
I can use any number of other technologies for high availability.
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with the production
issues and do so with a smile.
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On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 19:02 +, Simon Riggs wrote:
On Wed, 2010-02-24 at 10:17 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
You make the mistake of assuming that someone that can develop has no
solution experience. That is exactly how I fund further development, so
you are off base by a long way.
I
the
top. I prefer Kevin's solution or some variant thereof:
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-02/msg01853.php
http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-hackers/2010-02/msg01907.php
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in production by typing
pg_stop_backup() except in a demo. Nobody will see this.
This is not true. It is not uncommon for a pitr setup to get out of sync
for any number of production reasons. It is one of the reasons that
PITRTools supports executing a pg_stop_backup.
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should do whatever it needs to do to
shutdown; including issuing a pg_stop_backup.
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-essential code there, all of which needs to be
tested. I don't think adding in new corner cases to help people makes
any sense until we have automated testing that allows us to rerun the
regression tests to check all this stuff still works.
This will bite us if we release like this.
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than
pg_fail_backup(), but...
But...?
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On Mon, 22 Feb 2010 18:00:33 +0100, Magnus Hagander mag...@hagander.net
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We also have to consider our Windows users, where *we* ship the
OpenSSL library. Where
solutions and operating system dependencies.
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pg_ident.conf
... hmmm, am I missing one?
Seems that should go... under Reference
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On Thu, 2010-02-11 at 23:39 +0900, Koichi Suzuki wrote:
Dear Folks;
A very serious bug was reported on pg_lesslog. So far, I found it's
a bug in pg_compresslog. Please do not use pg_compresslog and
pg_decompresslog until improved version is uploaded.
I strongly advise to take base
in this down the road, I
think we could consider it for a future release.
I spoke with James offline about this as well. My understanding (correct
me James) is that he is working on an implementation that can be
installed via PGXS.
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I am a +1
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look at this whole thread, you will see the James has a
very different view of the implementation. One that at least appears to
be more advanced and pythonic than our version.
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a
very different view of the implementation. One that at least appears to
be more advanced and pythonic than our version.
More pythonic in its internal processing or in its user interface?
User interface and also internal processing (see the types discussion).
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pretty much stat... we revert it.
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Further discussion seems pointless.
Let's be clear. Robert is discussing release blockers. He is not
suggesting that no work has been done. I believe the community considers
release-blocks the priority.
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On Fri, 2010-01-29 at 11:41 -0800, Josh Berkus wrote:
All,
Is there a working list of HS must-fix items somewhere which people
agree on? Or are we still lacking consensus?
VACUUM FULL, I believe is one.
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) The time to change it is NOW, so that when we go into beta it
becomes a serious in your face, we have to fix this if we want to be
compatible with v9 of PostgreSQL.
And get this... because of HS and SR, everybody is going to want to be
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slaves.)
I agree. WAL replay as a whole is a bottlekneck. As it stands now (I
don't know about 8.5), replay is a large bottleneck on keeping the
warm-standby up to date.
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do we get this
reviewed?
I asked my guys to do it, but my C guys are very Perl centric...
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to be in core. Which is fairly independent of the
clustering docs.
My suggestion would be to start a new thread entirely.
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On Wed, 2010-01-20 at 19:32 -0700, James William Pye wrote:
Apologies ahead of time for the lack pretty graphs. =)
I used two different builds/installations of PG to test as the PL names
conflict. Both were compiled with the following CFLAGS(pg_config output):
-O2 -Wall
ad 8.5
But again, as Tom says... none of this is relevant until 8.5 is released
at which point, we can talk about all of this again. Hopefully 1.9 will
be done by then.
Done.
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it something like continuous
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On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 19:30 +0200, Heikki Linnakangas wrote:
Robert Haas wrote:
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Joshua D. Drake j...@commandprompt.com
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Uh, do we really want to call this replication rather than archive log
streaming or something. It seems replication
On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 13:26 -0700, James William Pye wrote:
On Jan 14, 2010, at 2:03 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
What I would (as a non hacker) would look for is:
(1) Generalized benchmarks between plpython(core) and plpython3u
I know a lot of these are subjective, but it is still good
provide different facilities) then CMD is
interested in making this community ready.
If the community isn't interested, we are likely to start putting our
efforts elsewhere (as opposed to Mammoth Replicator).
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comparison where the core plpython falls down
(if it does) against the plpython3u implementation
I can't speak to your code quality, that is going to have to be someone
else.
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touch plPerl for advanced procedures again.
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On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 19:53 +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
On ons, 2010-01-13 at 09:47 -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
I think it is important to remember that the current version of
PL/python is pretty weak compared to its counter parts (Specifically
PL/Perl).
How so?
O.k. you may have
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To make changes to your
On Wed, 2010-01-13 at 13:06 -0700, James William Pye wrote:
On Jan 13, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
My argument would be now, what is the benefit of the James Pye version
over our version. James can you illustrate succinctly why we should be
supporting a new version?
Doing
/Python versus the Pye patch from you. If nothing else it is
a learning opportunity for all involved.
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to decisions of the past.
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(Hmm, re-reading what you said, maybe we are suggesting the same thing,
but it's not clear. Anyway my point is that Dave's first two
requirements are real. Only the third might not be.)
We are saying the same thing. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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the big outstanding patches)
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On Tue, 2010-01-12 at 16:34 -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:
Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us writes:
The final commit-fest is in 5 days --- this is not the time for design
discussion and feature additions.
+10 --- the one reason I can see for deciding to bounce SR is that
to dramatically drop the amount
of process/log scraping required here to support a SR system.
Bingo.
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