Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier
will do it tonight :) On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any chance of getting a pgsql-patches link on archives.postgresql.org? I know the archives are created (I use them) but there is no obvious link. Secondly, could the links that do exist be

Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier
-patches added ... I've gotta redo that page, as it was just a 'quick-n-dirty' when I did it ... On 27 Jun 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: Vince, we can get -advocacy listed on the web site? There has been no traffic over there until now, but there are ppl subscribed to it ... all done.

Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier
http://archives.postgresql.org/ ... better? On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: will do it tonight :) On Wed, 26 Jun 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Any chance of getting a pgsql-patches link on archives.postgresql.org? I know the archives

Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://archives.postgresql.org/ ... better? Yup, although I'd suggest making the classification line up with the one on the main website --- docs and cygwin are listed as developer lists there. Also, someone

Re: [HACKERS] Postgres idea list

2002-06-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 27 Jun 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: Also, someone suggested listing the by-month indexes back-to-front (most recent month first), which seems like a great idea if not difficult. Better? http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-jdbc The rest will 'fall in line' once there is

Re: [HACKERS] Can't read archives anymore :-(

2002-06-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
shows up fine for me ... browser issue? :( is there a tag missing that you can pick out in view source? *raised eyebrow* On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc, did you do anything to the format of the individual archive message pages? The top index pages look great, but when I go to,

Re: [HACKERS] Support (was: Democracy and organisation)

2002-06-27 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Is this sort of like Oracle guaranteeing its uncrackable, but as soon as someone comes to them to prove it is, Oracle's response is but DBA didn't enable the obscure security feature that can be found here, that is disabled by default? On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, Tim Hart wrote: Could very well be.

Re: [HACKERS] Are these groups unauthorized?

2002-06-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Lamar Owen wrote: On Friday 28 June 2002 10:46 am, Tom Lane wrote: Guido Ostkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sure, a lot of people would be happy, if those groups were officially introduced and hosted on many international newservers. Yup. Are you

Re: [HACKERS] Are these groups unauthorized?

2002-06-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 29 Jun 2002, Guido Ostkamp wrote: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guido Ostkamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am sure, a lot of people would be happy, if those groups were officially introduced and hosted on many international newservers. Yup. Are you volunteering to be the

[HACKERS] ignor ethis ...

2002-07-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
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Re: [HACKERS] Should next release by 8.0 (Was: Re: [GENERAL] I am

2002-07-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Curt Sampson wrote: While there are big changes between 7.2 and the next release, they aren't really any bigger than others during the 7.x series. I don't really feel that the next release is worth an 8.0 rather than a 7.3. But this is just an opinion; it's not something

Re: [HACKERS] Should next release by 8.0 (Was: Re: [GENERAL] I am

2002-07-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, the big change is such that will, at least as far as I'm understanding it, break pretty much every front-end applicaiton ... Only those that inspect system catalogs --- I'm not sure what percentage

Re: [HACKERS] Should next release by 8.0 (Was: Re: [GENERAL] I am

2002-07-05 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 5 Jul 2002, Thomas Lockhart wrote: Actually, the big change is such that will, at least as far as I'm understanding it, break pretty much every front-end applicaiton ... which, I'm guessing, is pretty major, no? :) I've always thought of our release numbering as having themes.

Re: [HACKERS] (A) native Windows port

2002-07-06 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 6 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Andrew Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, Jul 05, 2002 at 12:39:13PM -0400, Lamar Owen wrote: One other usability note: why can't postmaster perform the steps of an initdb if -D points to an empty directory? Rank newbies shouldn't be

[HACKERS] Just added a second relay server ...

2002-07-10 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Just a test to make sure both are being used properly ... should help increase overall list speeds ... ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] I am being interviewed by OReilly

2002-07-11 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 11 Jul 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: On Sat, 10 Aug 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote: How long did it take you to teach him to say PostgreSQL ? :) Lessee, the conversation went something like this: Me: I need a wav file of you saying PostgreSQL. Him: PostgreSQL? Me: Yeah. Him: Ok,

Re: [HACKERS] Fwd: XPg: a new Java PostgreSQL Interface

2002-07-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 21 Jul 2002, Gustavo Gonzalez Giron wrote: Hello Dave... thank you for pay attention to our application. Couple of questions? Couple of answers! :) 1) Why did you choose the GPL license, I expect it cannot be added to the postgres distribution with that license? Postgres

Re: [HACKERS] pgbash-2.4a.2 released

2002-07-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Best would be to get it added as a project on GBorg ... Chris is working on changes to GBorg to allow a project to be added to the site *without* it necessarily be 'hosted' there, so that projects like this, or PgAdmin, can be tracked through on central location, without limiting the developers

[HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-26 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Something to maybe add to the TODO list, if someone has the time/inclination to work on it ... The problem with the current auth system, as I see it, is that you can't easily have seperate user lists and passwords per database ... its shared across the system ... The closest you can get is to

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 12:43:52AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: since as soon as there are two 'bruce' users, only one can have a password I guess I don't understand why that's a problem. I mean, if you're authenticating users, how can you

Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-28 Thread Marc G. Fournier
God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if we had the lists open? :) On Sat, 27 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Hi guys, I seem to be getting virus emails that pretend to be one of your guys. eg. I get them from T.Ishii and N.Conway, etc. Anyone

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Something to maybe add to the TODO list, if someone has the time/inclination to work on it ... The problem with the current auth system, as I see it, is that you can't easily have seperate user lists and passwords per

Re: [HACKERS] CVS server munted

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
am looking at it now ... trying to figure out where we're using 30gig of space righ tnow :( On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Hi guys, When I try to do a cvs up I get this: can't create temporary directory /var/tmp/cvs-serv39998 No space left on device And on the 15min

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Mon, 29 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Actually, it is replaced by encrypted pg_shadow by default in 7.3, and the new USER (users or groups) column in pg_hba.conf that will be in 7.3 that can restrict based on user/group. This replaces the use of the secondary file for just usernames.

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First and foremost in my mind ... how do you have two users in the system with seperate passwords? ... since as soon as there are two 'bruce' users, only one can have a password Uh, we've *never* supported

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: First and foremost in my mind ... how do you have two users in the system with seperate passwords? ... since as soon as there are two 'bruce' users, only one can have a password

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom Lane wrote: Uh, we've *never* supported two bruce users ... He was being tricky by having different passwords for the same user on each database, so one user couldn't get into

Re: [HACKERS] Password sub-process ...

2002-07-29 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: You seem to have done a nice job with the + and @ for 'maps' ... how about third on that states that the map file has a username:password pair in it? I do like how the pg_hba.conf has changed, just don't like the lose

Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
: uvscan --analyse --recursive --mime --summary --program /var/spool/mail On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote: On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: God, I go through 200+ of those almost daily as moderator ... imagine if we had the lists open? :) I picked up a copy of McAfee's

Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
figured it out ... uvscan isn't looking where ports installed the newer .dat files ... fixed that and it finds 63 virii infected files instead of just 5 :) one step closer ... On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Okay, am playing with this on one of my 'none-critical' servers right

Re: [HACKERS] Virus Emails

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Okay, this is sweet ... but can someone tell me where I 'Buy' a copy of uvscan? I've searched McAfee, but can't seem to find it in their eStore anywhere ... On 28 Jul 2002, Larry Rosenman wrote: On Sun, 2002-07-28 at 20:10, Marc G. Fournier wrote: God, I go through 200+ of those almost

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
add in 'fix pg_hba.conf / password issues' to that too :) On Tue, 30 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Here are the open items for 7.3. We have one more month to address them before beta. ---

Trim the Fat (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items )

2002-07-30 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: * libpqxx is not integrated into build process nor docs. It should be integrated or reversed out before beta. I've requestsed that Jeorgen(sp?) move this over to GBorg ... its something that can, and should be, built seperately from the base distribution,

Re: Trim the Fat (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items )

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:08:33PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: One reason for wanting to integrate libpqxx is that I don't think we'll find out anything about its portability until we get a lot

Re: Trim the Fat (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items )

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Neil Conway wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:11:06AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: * libpqxx is not integrated into build process nor docs. It should be integrated or reversed out before beta. I've requestsed that Jeorgen

Re: Trim the Fat (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items )

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Tom Lane wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Neil Conway) writes: Mentioning that on -hackers would have been nice -- I've spent a while this week hacking autoconf / Makefiles to integrate libpqxx... Marc's opinion is not the same thing as a done deal ;-) --- we still have to

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Neil Conway wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:01:43AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: add in 'fix pg_hba.conf / password issues' to that too :) I doubt that will make 7.3 -- the proposals I've seen on this topic require some reasonably complex additions

[HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Okay ... since this is pretty much going to be 'one camp for, one camp against' without anything to really back up either camps perspectives / arguments, I did some research on CVS in order to find a nice, effective middle ground ... and it actually works quite sweet ... Basically, CVS let's

[HACKERS] Trimming the Fat: Getting code via CVSup ...

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
I've just updated the README.cvsup file in order to reflect the changes, to provide a sample of how to download the whole thing, as well as instructions on how to do just a particular module: [ Updated README.cvsup ]= # This file represents the

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: OK, I have thought about this. First, a possible solution would be to have a GUC variable that prepends the dbname to all username specifications, so the username becomes dbname.username. When you CREATE USER test, it actually does CREATE USER

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: One idea I had was to look for a colon in the username, and if I see one, I assume everything after the colon is a password. Would that work for you? That would definitely work ... but I *really* like your GUC idea ... it would allow ppl to change

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Ron Snyder wrote: Yes, is that your pg_hba.conf line? 'password' is insecure over networks you don't trust. Yes, we're using 'password password' in our pg_hba.conf file. I trust my network (so far). That is another major limitation to

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Okay ... since this is pretty much going to be 'one camp for, one camp against' without anything to really back up either camps perspectives / arguments, I did some research on CVS in order to find a nice, effective middle ground ... and

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Ron Snyder wrote: Yes, is that your pg_hba.conf line? 'password' is insecure over networks you don't trust. Yes, we're using 'password password' in our

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Ron Snyder wrote: Yes, is that your pg_hba.conf line? 'password' is insecure over

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: I am working on it now. I decided against doing any kind of database prepending at the user level. You create the user as 'dbname.username'. That is clearer, rather than prepending based on the db you are connected

Re: [HACKERS] -snapshot?

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
thanks for the heads up, fixed ... part of the generation code was flawed, in that it tried to move a directory that didn't exist, failed and exited the script *roll eyes* added in an 'if' to make sure the directory exists, and am running it manually now ... On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, bpalmer

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-07-31 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Access to nothing. I could actually try to quality by dbname.username, then fall back to just username, but that seems insecure

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Thomas Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Until we have folks who are excited enough about it to plan it out and do the work, piecemeal rejection of components is not leading to a more solid product. I'm lukewarm about whether to actually do the split

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Thomas Lockhart wrote: ... *Eventually*, a simple checkout of 'pgsql' should result in a server only distribution that we can pull bits and pieces into transparently ... I'm still not quite sure where this is headed or why, but if nothing else pgsql could and should

[HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
... is once more 'normal' ... there are three modules right now setup: earthdistance libpqxx pgsql-server pgsql combines all three of the above to transparently give the equivalent of the whole distribution from its component parts ... ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I realize that Marc wasn't proposing splitting off any server-side code, but I still want to tread carefully about breaking up the codebase. Okay, well, the way I'm working it through right now, I'm doing

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... is once more 'normal' ... Uh, it's completely broken as far as I can tell. $ pwd /home/postgres/pgsql/src/bin/pg_dump $ cvs status cvs server: Examining . cvs server: failed to create lock directory

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, http://developer.postgresql.org/cvsweb.cgi/pgsql/ isn't working. What'r you typin about? It works fine. Ok, ok.. It does *NOW*. :) Well, of course that specific URL doesn't work because it's actually

Re: [HACKERS] CVS server problem!

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Should be fixed now ... I found a rsync.core file, so it looks like the changes may have been more extensive then rsync could handle ... just ran it manually (or, rather, am running as I type this), so by the time you receive, a checkout should grab the right structures ... Let me know if it

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat: Getting code via CVSup ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
, other then gettin gat the sub-modules themselves, CVSup is broken ... anon-cvs will fair you better ... On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Neil Conway wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:56:11AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've just updated the README.cvsup file in order to reflect the changes

[HACKERS] Does this go out?

2002-08-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Just making sure that I haven't screwed up anything plugging in amavis ... ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Does this go out?

2002-08-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
anti-virus software ... see http://www.amavis.org ... On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Jeff MacDonald wrote: got it... what's amivis ? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc G. Fournier Sent: Friday, August 02, 2002 10:17 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: So, from the 'client side', y'all will still see everything as one big package, while from the 'server side', I'll have the seperate modules taht can be packaged independently ... Marc, how are you dealing with libpq's

Re: [HACKERS] FUNC_MAX_ARGS benchmarks

2002-08-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 10:39:47AM -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Actually, plpgsql is pretty expensive too. The thing to be benchmarking is applications of plain old built-in-C functions and operators. I thought part of the justification for this was

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Dann Corbit wrote: I have discussed the idea of contributing our Win32 work to the PostgreSQL project with management. We have also converted all of the utilities (initdb, psql, pg_dump, pg_restore, pg_id, pg_passwd, etc.) Management is (rightfully) concerned about

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: So, from the 'client side', y'all will still see everything as one big package, while from the 'server side', I'll have the seperate modules taht

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with Edmund about moving DBD into

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Ummm ... stupid question, but can we even bring this into the 'core'? You may distribute under the terms of either the GNU General Public License or the Artistic License, as specified in the Perl README file. On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Oleg Bartunov wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian writes: OK, I have attached a patch for testing. Sample output is: $ sql -U guest test psql: FATAL: user test.guest does not exist $ createuser test.guest I will object to any scheme

Re: Trim the Fat (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, jtv wrote: Looking at it that way, it seems to me that the proper approach is to cut out all interfaces that don't talk to the backend themselves--e.g. the ones that build on top of libpq, like libpq++ and libpqxx do. This is what my opinion is ... what I'm setting up

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Ummm ... stupid question, but can we even bring this into the 'core'? You may distribute under the terms of either the GNU General Public License or the Artistic License, as specified

Re: [HACKERS] Why is MySQL more chosen over PostgreSQL?

2002-08-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Fri, 2 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Greg Copeland [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I seem to find this argument a lot on the list here. For some reason, many of the developers are under the impression that even if code is never touched, it has a very high level of effort to keep it in the code

Re: [HACKERS] FUNC_MAX_ARGS benchmarks

2002-08-02 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Thomas Lockhart wrote: With FUNC_MAX_ARGS=16: (average = 28.6 seconds) With FUNC_MAX_ARGS=32: (average = 29.15 seconds) That is almost a 2 percent cost. Shall we challenge someone to get us back 2 percent from somewhere before the 7.3 release? Optimizing a hot

Re: [HACKERS] cvs changes and broken links

2002-08-04 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 3 Aug 2002, Joe Conway wrote: I couldn't keep up with the list traffic this week, but I thought I saw enough to convince me that after it was all said and done, I would still be able to do `cvs co pgsql`. I'm finding today that after using cvsup to sync up, I can no longer checkout

Re: [HACKERS] libpqxx

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 11 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The problem I see now is that libpqxx has a completely different build system and documentation system. Unless someone's going to do the work to integrate libpqxx into our build/documentation system, I have

Re: [HACKERS] anoncvs currently broken

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
should be fixed ... looks like just an ownership issue on a new directory ... On 13 Aug 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: anoncvs is still broken: cvs server: Updating src/interfaces/libpqxx/config cvs server: Updating src/interfaces/libpqxx/debian cvs server: failed to create lock directory

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src backend/tcop/postgres.cbacke

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, seeing as no one voted, and only Tom and I objected originally, we will keep the code as Thomas has applied it, namely that PGXLOG/-X is recognized by initdb, postmaster, postgres, and pg_ctl. We will? It

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src backend/tcop/postgres.cbacke

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, seeing as no one voted, and only Tom and I objected originally, we will keep the code as Thomas has applied it, namely that PGXLOG/-X is recognized by initdb, postmaster, postgres,

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src

2002-08-12 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 13 Aug 2002, Greg Copeland wrote: On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 23:09, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: OK, seeing as no one voted, and only Tom and I objected originally, we will keep the code as Thomas has applied it, namely that PGXLOG/-X is recognized by initdb,

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: I think Tom is on to something here. I meant to ask but never got around to it. Why would anyone need to move the XLOG after you've inited the db? I just determined that disk I/O is terrible, so want to move

Re: [HACKERS] libpqxx

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Marc G. Fournier writes: Okay, but if we are going to pull libpqxx, what about the other lib's too? Certain things apply to libpqxx that don't all apply to the others libs: It is maintained and developed

Re: [HACKERS] [COMMITTERS] pgsql-server/src backend/tcop/postgres.cbacke

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: If you move pg_xlog, you have to create a symlink in /data that points to the new location. Initdb would do that automatically, but if you move it after initdb, you would have to create the symlink yourself. With Thomas's current code, you would

Re: [HACKERS] anoncvs currently broken

2002-08-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Jeroen T. Vermeulen wrote: On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 09:38:00PM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: should be fixed ... looks like just an ownership issue on a new directory More like I uploaded that directory just as you were rsync'ing to anonymous CVS and a lock file got

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Gavin Sherry [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: I think this belongs on gborg. Would you create a project there? A number of people at OSCON did consider this to be a nice contrib feature. Out of curiousity, what

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Anything in contrib that can be built seperately from the server code, that just requires libpq and headers, should be pulled and distributed as seperate modules, which has the added benefit that, if listed on GBorg

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Anything in contrib that can be built seperately from the server code, that just requires libpq and headers, should be pulled and distributed

Re: [HACKERS] journaling in contrib ...

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian writes: OK, we got _that_ answer. Looks like gborg. Marc really wants to pump that up. I think if gborg had a different name and looked more like the main site, more people would consider using it without feeling kicked out.

Re: [HACKERS] anoncvs - here we go again!

2002-08-14 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 14 Aug 2002, Oliver Elphick wrote: cvs server: Updating src/backend/utils/mb/conversion_procs/ascii_and_mic cvs server: failed to create lock directory for `/projects/cvsroot/pgsql-server/src/backend/utils/mb/conversion_procs/ascii_and_mic'

Re: [HACKERS] failure notice (fwd)

2002-08-15 Thread Marc G. Fournier
all gone ... On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Vince Vielhaber wrote: Who the hell are these people and why can't they configure their own MTA? Vince. -- == Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSHemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 15 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: integrate or remove new libpqxx integrate or add to gborg Pg:DBD Seems like gborg is the place for these. I would volunteer to package libpq++ separately. Okay, the procedure is simple, but where do we want to put this? Do we want

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: OK, I am ready to do the work, but I would like to get a plan of where we are going. I see in interfaces: cli ecpg jdbc libpgeasy libpgtcl libpq libpq++ libpqxx odbc perl5

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, I know one of Marc's goals is to have libpq as a stand-alone tarball, but I thought we decided that this _didn't_ require it to be in a separate CVS repository. Removing libpq is impossible since psql,

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: Chris has made code changes to GBorg to allow for this based on requests from Dave Page (ie. PgAdminII) ... so there is no problems with that ... As for keeping them in our main CVS, the more we put over onto GBorg

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-17 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think the only unknown is whether their CVS's should be moved out of the main tree. Yes, they should be ... Certainly. I was a bit worried about losing CVS history, but Marc indicated he could make

Re: Removing Libraries (Was: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 issues)

2002-08-18 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Marc G. Fournier writes: Okay, here is what I'd like to suggest ... Bruce, let's start off really simple ... go create a project for libpq++ (I believe someone even volunteered to maintain it?) and let me know once created, and I'll move

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 21 Aug 2002, Robert Treat wrote: Assuming that we do go ahead with a 7.2.2 release, can we get some kind of unofficial statement on pushing back the 7.3 beta? I know Tom was v7.3 goes beta Sept 1st ... v7.2.2 will be purely a security bugfix release, with no changes in functionality that

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: We learned a few lessons from previous releases. First, don't delay the beta by days/weeks that drag on. Delay one month at a time. Second, don't decide on a further delay the day before you are going to go beta. Multiple short-period delays and

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 22 Aug 2002, Justin Clift wrote: - Find out from Sir Mordred if he wants to take a look at the CVS version of code and audit in that for a bit, Just In Case he turns up something that's serious and requires substantial re-work. Although it means he wouldn't have a bunch of

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Justin Clift wrote: Only two things which have the potential to be worth waiting for, from what I'm aware of. There may be others: - Find out from Sir Mordred if he wants to take a look at the CVS version of code and audit in that for a

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Justin Clift wrote: Reckon it's worth asking him, to find out if he'd be interested in this? I wouldn't do it yet until we know if we are going to delay. Any security audit of the code should *not* be done while the code is in flux, and if we

Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x0003: Buffer overflow in

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On 21 Aug 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: Agreed. If patches are applied to the 7.4 branch as fast as normal, then maybe 7.4 will only be 6 months out with well tested Windows, PIT, etc. code that gets applied this October. Whats the intended branchpoint? Beta with less than 5 patches? 3rd beta

Branch Date (Was: Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0...)

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On 21 Aug 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: Agreed. If patches are applied to the 7.4 branch as fast as normal, then maybe 7.4 will only be 6 months out with well tested Windows, PIT, etc. code that gets applied this October

Dev Cycles (Was: Re: [HACKERS] @(#)Mordred Labs advisory 0x...)

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
their opinions where being heard. --- Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Justin Clift wrote: Reckon it's worth asking him, to find out if he'd be interested in this? I

[HACKERS] libpq++ and libpqxx moved to GBorg ...

2002-08-21 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Morning all ... This afternoon, Bruce Momjiam created a new project on GBorg for libpq++, and Jeroen T. Vermeulen created one for libpqxx ... Both projects source directory from the central CVS repository have been copied over, including full history logs, and can be viewed at:

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