Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-13 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Josh Berkus wrote: All, Just FYI, it's going to be difficult to replace the name of the feature in the PR docs at this point; I already have 11 translations. What's *wrong* with Load Distributed Checkpoint, which is what we've been calling it for 6 months? Is a translator really not

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-13 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Alvaro Herrera wrote: Josh Berkus wrote: All, Just FYI, it's going to be difficult to replace the name of the feature in the PR docs at this point; I already have 11 translations. What's *wrong* with Load Distributed Checkpoint, which is what we've been calling it for 6 months? Is a

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-13 Thread Gregory Stark
Joshua D. Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Alvaro Herrera wrote: Is a translator really not able to change 3 words in a week? Come again. I think it is likely more about being able to reach the translators. The more common ones such as yourself are obvious but others may not be. Either

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-13 Thread Josh Berkus
Greg, All: The other problem was that the original description over-sold the feature a bit. It said prevent I/O spikes when it actually just reduces them. Still possible to have a spike, it probably won't be as big though. Your call on whether correcting that mischaracterization is worth

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-12 Thread Josh Berkus
All, Just FYI, it's going to be difficult to replace the name of the feature in the PR docs at this point; I already have 11 translations. What's *wrong* with Load Distributed Checkpoint, which is what we've been calling it for 6 months? -- --Josh Josh Berkus PostgreSQL @ Sun San Francisco

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: All, Just FYI, it's going to be difficult to replace the name of the feature in the PR docs at this point; I already have 11 translations. What's *wrong* with Load Distributed Checkpoint, which is what we've been calling it for 6 months? There was nothing *wrong*

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-12 Thread Greg Smith
On Wed, 12 Dec 2007, Josh Berkus wrote: What's *wrong* with Load Distributed Checkpoint, which is what we've been calling it for 6 months? One issue was that distributed has some association with distributed computing, which isn't actually the case. Spread is also more descriptive of what

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-12 Thread Magnus Hagander
Just FYI, it's going to be difficult to replace the name of the feature in the PR docs at this point; I already have 11 translations. What's *wrong* with Load Distributed Checkpoint, which is what we've been calling it for 6 months? Are you saying the PR was 'string freezed' before rc1?

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-09 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Greg Smith wrote: It's good this came up, because that is factually wrong; while the average case is much better some OS-dependant aspects of the spike (what happens at fsync) are certainly still there. I think it's easier to rewrite this whole thing so it's technically accurate rather

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-07 Thread Simon Riggs
On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 19:43 -0800, David Fetter wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:19:44PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:49 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-07 Thread Jonah H. Harris
On Dec 7, 2007 10:25 PM, Greg Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Smoothed makes a lot of sense for me. We used to have a checkpoint spike, now we don't. To be accurate, there used to be a huge and unavoidable spike, now there's a control that aims to make it smaller. The problem hasn't

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-07 Thread Greg Smith
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Simon Riggs wrote: Smoothed makes a lot of sense for me. We used to have a checkpoint spike, now we don't. To be accurate, there used to be a huge and unavoidable spike, now there's a control that aims to make it smaller. The problem hasn't completely gone away yet.

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-07 Thread Hannu Krosing
Ühel kenal päeval, R, 2007-12-07 kell 18:22, kirjutas Simon Riggs: On Thu, 2007-12-06 at 19:43 -0800, David Fetter wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:19:44PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:49 -0500 Tom Lane

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-06 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I the only one who finds the phrase distributed checkpointing a bit awkward? Would it be better if we used time-distributed checkpointing instead? Yeah, distributed has a bunch of connotations that are wrong for this purpose. I spent a bit of time

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:49 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I the only one who finds the phrase distributed checkpointing a bit awkward? Would it be better if we used time-distributed

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-06 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 6 Dec 2007 19:43:29 -0800 David Fetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:19:44PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:49 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-06 Thread David Fetter
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:19:44PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 06 Dec 2007 20:44:49 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alvaro Herrera [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Am I the only one who finds the phrase distributed checkpointing

Re: [HACKERS] [DOCS] distributed checkpoint

2007-12-06 Thread Andrew Dunstan
David Fetter wrote: balanced gradual extended (I see you mention time-extended but wouldn't time be implicit based on the actual docs and thus we only need extended?) How about smoothed? perhaps we should call it Jacob checkpointing, then. cheers andrew