Bruce wrote:
> Now, if you are asking about marketing, yea, we don't have much in that
> area right now, and we need it. I think your point was that we need a
> single controlling company to provide marketing because if there are
> many, there is little incentive to market PostgreSQL because all
Scott Marlowe wrote:
> While Apache is and has been wildly popular for bulk hosing and domain
> parking, for serious commercial use, Netscape's enterprise server, now Sun
> One, has long been a leader in commercial web sites.
Netscrape/SunONE may have been a leader in some sub-market, but this m
Bruce wrote:
> > Does anyone know of an open source project that *has* successfully
displaced
> > a market of mature, established products WITHOUT a commercial entity
> > providing marketing, support & direction?
>
> Linux. It doesn't have a single company behind it, but several.
Uh, no. Linux
Joshua wrote:
> Why would someone fund a "new" PostgreSQL project when there are several
> viable commercial entities doing the job right now?
Four words: "size of marketing budget".
As a technology guy, it bugs me to acknowledge that. But having lived
through this a few times, it is the way
The difference is that you could now correct for Great Bridge's problems,
which include but are not limited to: timing (4 years has changed a lot for
commercial acceptance of open source), funding ($25m was too much), and
strategy (this is not an quick attempt to copy Red Hat).
I think such a pro
Bruce wrote:
> Remember, we all came to PostgreSQL because of the community
> development, so we can't expect us to get excited about something that
> risks that just to "win", as you say. If we had gone in this direction
> with Great Bridge, we would have seriously injured PostgreSQL and it
> m
Andrew Payne wrote:
> > My concern about a single company, as all of us are, is that we kill the
> > community that created the software, which then burdens the single
> > company to steer development, leading to disaster.
>
> Understood, and that's the potential catch-22. This is the problem wit
Does anyone know of an open source project that *has* successfully displaced
a market of mature, established products WITHOUT a commercial entity
providing marketing, support & direction?
gcc?
Nope most big houses will use Intel/Borland/Vc++ or whatever comes
with Solaris.
In fact, I can no
On Tue, 27 Apr 2004, Andrew Payne wrote:
>
> Scott Marlowe wrote:
>
> > While Apache is and has been wildly popular for bulk hosing and domain
> > parking, for serious commercial use, Netscape's enterprise server, now Sun
> > One, has long been a leader in commercial web sites.
>
> Netscrape/Su
Andrew Payne wrote:
>
> Bruce wrote:
>
> > > Does anyone know of an open source project that *has* successfully
> displaced
> > > a market of mature, established products WITHOUT a commercial entity
> > > providing marketing, support & direction?
> >
> > Linux. It doesn't have a single company b
Andrew Payne wrote:
> Also, Apache never had "MyApache", a more popular version that many believe
> to be "free" and "open source".
>
> My point: Apache was successful in a situation that may not apply here.
>
> Does anyone know of an open source project that *has* successfully displaced
> a mar
On the other topics...
I think the biggest service PGSQL could provide to the open source
community is a resource that teaches people with no database experience
the fundamentals of databases. If people had an understanding of what a
RDBMS should be capable of and how it should be used, they wouldn
On Tue, 2004-04-27 at 21:56, scott.marlowe wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Andrew Payne wrote:
>
> >
> > Bruce asked an excellent question:
> >
> > > My question is, "What can we learn from MySQL?" I don't know there is
> > > anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
> >
Ignore
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Andrew Payne wrote:
> For those that look to Apache: Apache never had a well-established
> incumbent (Oracle), an a well-funded upstart competitor (MySQL). Rob
> McCool's NCSA httpd (and later, Apache) were good enough and developed
> rapidly enough that they prevented any o
Jim C. Nasby wrote:
Maybe also a more generic section about how PGSQL is different from
other databases. Maybe I'm just dense, but it took me a long time to
figure out the whole lack of stored procedures thing (yes, PGSQL
obviously has the functionality, but many experienced DBAs won't
associate fu
On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Andrew Payne wrote:
>
> Bruce asked an excellent question:
>
> > My question is, "What can we learn from MySQL?" I don't know there is
> > anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
>
> After watching the traffic on this, the biggest MySQL lesson has gone
>
On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 21:31:33 -0400,
Andrew Payne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> At some point (probably there now), I think the lack of a "Postgres, Inc."
> is going to hinder adoption. Companies want to 'buy' from vendors that look
> like real, viable companies, and provide them products w
On Apr 23, 2004, at 8:35 AM, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
My question is, "What can we learn from MySQL?" I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
Questions I have are:
I have already told Bruce at length about the single most common
complaint in the phpPg
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 02:35:48PM +0800, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> >My question is, "What can we learn from MySQL?" I don't know there is
> >anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
> >
> >Questions I have are:
>
> I have already told Bruce at length about the single most
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> Here is a blog about a recent MySQL conference with title, "Why MySQL
> Grew So Fast":
>
> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4715
>
> and a a Slashdot discussion about it:
>
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/20/22292
Am Freitag, 23. April 2004 06:09 schrieb Bruce Momjian:
> o Are we marketing ourselves properly?
> o Are we focused enough on ease-of-use issues?
> o How do we position ourselves against a database that some
> say is "good enough" (MySQL), and another one that some
>
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote:
> > My question is, "What can we learn from MySQL?" I don't know there is
> > anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
> >
> > Questions I have are:
>
> I have already told Bruce at length about the single most common
> complaint in the phpPgAdmin
My question is, "What can we learn from MySQL?" I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
Questions I have are:
I have already told Bruce at length about the single most common
complaint in the phpPgAdmin lists and in the IRC channel: the inability
to change
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