Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Dave Page
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Joshua Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: Download numbers for the installers were bordering on noise compared to the GA builds last time I looked, double figures iirc. I don't know about the tarballs offhand and can't check ATM. Can you check when you get a

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Josh Berkus
On 9/12/11 2:23 AM, Dave Page wrote: Note that these are only numbers from people who click through the flags pages on the website. We don't have numbers for people who download directly from the FTP site or a mirror. I'd say that 1200 downloads of each alpha is pretty significant. If even

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 5:23 AM, Dave Page dp...@pgadmin.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 9:47 PM, Joshua Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: Download numbers for the installers were bordering on noise compared to the GA builds last time I looked, double figures iirc. I don't know about the

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-09-12 at 10:00 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: I certainly think there is value in pushing an alpha release after CF4, and maybe even after CF3. Yes, that makes sense. Although I was surprised to see that the download numbers dropped off significantly for the later alphas. Whether or

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: On mån, 2011-09-12 at 10:00 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: I certainly think there is value in pushing an alpha release after CF4, and maybe even after CF3. Yes, that makes sense.  Although I was surprised to see that the

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Josh Berkus
Writing the release notes is really the main part of the work. Bundling the release takes 15 minutes, writing the announcement takes 15 minutes (copy and paste), writing the release notes takes about 2 days. Yeah, but this shaved a lot of effort/delay off doing the final release notes.

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On mån, 2011-09-12 at 09:43 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Writing the release notes is really the main part of the work. Bundling the release takes 15 minutes, writing the announcement takes 15 minutes (copy and paste), writing the release notes takes about 2 days. Yeah, but this shaved a

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: On m?n, 2011-09-12 at 09:43 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Writing the release notes is really the main part of the work. Bundling the release takes 15 minutes, writing the announcement takes 15 minutes (copy and paste), writing the release notes takes about 2 days.

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-12 Thread Robert Haas
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: On m?n, 2011-09-12 at 09:43 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: Writing the release notes is really the main part of the work.  Bundling the release takes 15 minutes, writing the announcement takes 15

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-11 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 16:49 +0300, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? ... Ok, so if noone is willing to produce alpha's (which is sad), we need to change the text in here: http://www.postgresql.org/developer/alpha -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-09-06 at 17:25 +0300, Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: Oh, what if noone will be interested in packaging until the last commitfest? Then nothing will happen. We need people to start testing features, without having to use git or such. You can download daily snapshot tarballs. -- Sent

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-09-06 at 13:38 -0400, Robert Haas wrote: 2011/9/6 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us: Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? We talked about it on core and no one seems interested in doing the packaging. :-( Well I don't

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On tis, 2011-09-06 at 11:41 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: I think the alphas have been extremely valuable for testing. That's not my recollection. Obviously, it's hard to measure this one way or the other, but I don't recall there being a lot of test reports from people who are not already

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Joshua Berkus
That's not my recollection. Obviously, it's hard to measure this one way or the other, but I don't recall there being a lot of test reports from people who are not already contributors and could have used some other way to get the code. Do we have download stats for the alphas? Dave?

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Andy Colson
On 09/10/2011 02:52 PM, Peter Eisentraut wrote: On tis, 2011-09-06 at 11:41 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: I think the alphas have been extremely valuable for testing. That's not my recollection. Obviously, it's hard to measure this one way or the other, but I don't recall there being a lot of

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Dave Page
On Saturday, September 10, 2011, Joshua Berkus j...@agliodbs.com wrote: That's not my recollection. Obviously, it's hard to measure this one way or the other, but I don't recall there being a lot of test reports from people who are not already contributors and could have used some other way

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Marti Raudsepp
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 22:52, Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net wrote: but I don't recall there being a lot of test reports from people who are not already contributors and could have used some other way to get the code. I, for one, do use alpha tarballs on my dev machines (when working on

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut pete...@gmx.net writes: On tis, 2011-09-06 at 11:41 -0700, Josh Berkus wrote: I think the alphas have been extremely valuable for testing. That's not my recollection. Obviously, it's hard to measure this one way or the other, but I don't recall there being a lot of test

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Joshua Berkus
Download numbers for the installers were bordering on noise compared to the GA builds last time I looked, double figures iirc. I don't know about the tarballs offhand and can't check ATM. Can you check when you get a chance? I know that the DL numbers for the first alphas were very low,

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On lör, 2011-09-10 at 23:29 +0300, Marti Raudsepp wrote: I, for one, do use alpha tarballs on my dev machines (when working on apps that use PostgreSQL). It gives me a concrete schedule to update them that's not too frequent and I can tell whether they need updating just by glancing at the

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-10 Thread Peter Eisentraut
On lör, 2011-09-10 at 16:34 -0400, Tom Lane wrote: Of course, this means that just building a source tarball marked alpha1 isn't real useful. If we're going to do alpha releases, we have to have buy-in from packagers (or at least from the Windows installer team) to do follow-on package

[HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-06 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? Regards, -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ Principal Systems Engineer @ EnterpriseDB: http://www.enterprisedb.com PostgreSQL Danışmanı/Consultant, Red Hat Certified Engineer Community: devrim~PostgreSQL.org, devrim.gunduz~linux.org.tr

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? We talked about it on core and no one seems interested in doing the packaging. :-( -- Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.ushttp://momjian.us EnterpriseDB

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-06 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Tue, 2011-09-06 at 10:06 -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: Devrim GNDZ wrote: Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? We talked about it on core and no one seems interested in doing the packaging. :-( Oh, what if noone will be interested in packaging until the

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-06 Thread Robert Haas
2011/9/6 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us: Devrim GÜNDÜZ wrote: Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? We talked about it on core and no one seems interested in doing the packaging.  :-( Well I don't particularly mind pushing a tag and bundling it, but I guess the

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
Robert Haas wrote: 2011/9/6 Bruce Momjian br...@momjian.us: Devrim G?ND?Z wrote: Is there a plan to wrap up 9.2 Alpha 1 before the next commitfest? We talked about it on core and no one seems interested in doing the packaging. ?:-( Well I don't particularly mind pushing a tag and

Re: [HACKERS] Alpha 1 for 9.2

2011-09-06 Thread Josh Berkus
Yes, it has always been a time vs. value question. I am not sure how I feel on the matter but I am away too often to help anyway. I think the alphas have been extremely valuable for testing. And with some of the stuff going into CF1 and CF2 for 9.2, we really need some early testing. Or, to