Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Don Baccus writes: Exactly what is PostgreSQL, Inc doing in this area? Good question... See http://www.erserver.com/. I've not seen discussions about it here, and the two of the three most active developers (Jan and Tom) work for Great Bridge, not PostgreSQL, Inc... Vadim Mikheev and

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Magnus Naeslund\(f\)
From: "Nathan Myers" [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 07:02:01PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: [snip] The logging in 7.1 protects transactions against many sources of database crash, but not necessarily against OS crash, and certainly not against power failure. (You might get

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Don Baccus
At 05:42 PM 12/2/00 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Don Baccus writes: Exactly what is PostgreSQL, Inc doing in this area? Good question... See http://www.erserver.com/. "Advanced Replication and Distributed Information capabilities are also under development to meet specific business and

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 11:31:37AM -0800, Don Baccus wrote: At 05:42 PM 12/2/00 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Don Baccus writes: Exactly what is PostgreSQL, Inc doing in this area? Good question... See http://www.erserver.com/. snip Boy, I can just imagine the uproar this

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Don Baccus
At 03:51 PM 12/2/00 -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: "We expect to have the source code tested and ready to contribute to the open source community before the middle of October. Until that time we are considering requests from a number of development companies and venture capital groups to join

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Adam Haberlach
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:51:15PM -0600, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 11:31:37AM -0800, Don Baccus wrote: At 05:42 PM 12/2/00 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Don Baccus writes: Exactly what is PostgreSQL, Inc doing in this area? Good question... See

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Tom Samplonius
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Don Baccus wrote: ... Will Great Bridge step to the plate and fund a truly open source alternative, leaving us with a potential code fork? If IB gets its political problems under control and developers rally around it, two years is going to be a long time to just sit

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 03:47:19PM -0800, Adam Haberlach wrote: Where's the damn core code? I've seen a number of examples already of people asking about remote access/replication function, with an eye toward implementing it, and being told "PostgreSQL, Inc. is working on that". It's

[HACKERS] RI Types

2000-12-02 Thread Michael Fork
I am trying to set the update and delete rules that are returned from the ODBC driver and the spec has the following to say: SQL_NO_ACTION: If a delete of a row in the referenced table would cause a "dangling reference" in the referencing table (that is, rows in the referencing table would have

Re: [HACKERS] RI Types

2000-12-02 Thread Don Baccus
At 06:27 PM 12/2/00 -0500, Michael Fork wrote: I am trying to set the update and delete rules that are returned from the ODBC driver and the spec has the following to say: SQL_NO_ACTION: If a delete of a row in the referenced table would cause a "dangling reference" in the referencing table

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Thomas Lockhart
PostgreSQL, Inc perhaps has that as a game plan. I'm not so much concerned about exactly what PG, Inc is planning to offer as a proprietary piece - I'm purist enough that I worry about what this signals for their future direction. Hmm. What has kept replication from happening in the past? It

[HACKERS] core dump? OID/database corruption?

2000-12-02 Thread mlw
An obscure series of events seems to cause a core dump and OID corruption: -- tolower function for varchar create function varchar_lower(varchar) returns varchar as '/usr/local/lib/pgcontains.so', 'pglower' language 'c'; create index ztables_title_ndx on ztitles (

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Adam Haberlach
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 07:32:14PM -0800, Don Baccus wrote: At 02:58 AM 12/3/00 +, Thomas Lockhart wrote: PostgreSQL, Inc perhaps has that as a game plan. I'm not so much concerned about exactly what PG, Inc is planning to offer as a proprietary piece - I'm purist enough that I worry

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Thomas Lockhart
This statement of yours kinda belittles the work done over the past few years by volunteers. imho it does not, and if somehow you can read that into it then you have a much different understanding of language than I. I *am* one of those volunteers, and know that the hundreds of hours I have

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Ron Chmara
Thomas Lockhart wrote: PostgreSQL, Inc perhaps has that as a game plan. I'm not so much concerned about exactly what PG, Inc is planning to offer as a proprietary piece - I'm purist enough that I worry about what this signals for their future direction. Hmm. What has kept replication

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Peter Bierman
And I really havn't seen much in the way of full featured products, complete with printed docs, 24 hour support, tutorials, wizards, templates, a company to sue if the code causes damage, GUI install, setup, removal, etc. etc. etc. Mac OS X. ;-) -pmb -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] "4 out of 5 people

Re: [HACKERS] core dump? OID/database corruption?

2000-12-02 Thread Tom Lane
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ drop function on which a functional index is based ] and strange things start to happen. All I get is messages like ERROR: fmgr_info: function 402432: cache lookup failed which is about what I'd expect. If you've seen a coredump in this situation,

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Don Baccus
At 09:56 PM 12/2/00 -0700, Ron Chmara wrote: ... And I really havn't seen much in the way of full featured products, complete with printed docs, 24 hour support, tutorials, wizards, templates, a company to sue if the code causes damage, GUI install, setup, removal, etc. etc. etc. Want to make

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Don Baccus
At 04:42 AM 12/3/00 +, Thomas Lockhart wrote: This statement of yours kinda belittles the work done over the past few years by volunteers. imho it does not, Sure it does. You in essence are saying that "advanced replication is so hard that it could only come about if someone were willing

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Don Baccus
At 09:29 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Adam Haberlach wrote: Red herring, and you know it. The question isn't whether or not your business generates income, but how it generates income. So far, Open Source doesn't. The VA Linux IPO made ME some income, but I'm not sure that was part of their

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Vadim Mikheev
There is risk here. It isn't so much in the fact that PostgreSQL, Inc is doing a couple of modest closed-source things with the code. After all, the PG community has long acknowleged that the BSD license would allow others to co-op the code and commercialize it with no obligations. It is

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-02 Thread Prasanth A. Kumar
Don Baccus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At 04:42 AM 12/3/00 +, Thomas Lockhart wrote: This statement of yours kinda belittles the work done over the past few years by volunteers. imho it does not, Sure it does. You in essence are saying that "advanced replication is so hard that it