Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Thomas Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Until we have folks who are excited enough about it to plan it out and do the work, piecemeal rejection of components is not leading to a more solid product. I'm lukewarm about whether to actually do the split

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Thomas Lockhart wrote: ... *Eventually*, a simple checkout of 'pgsql' should result in a server only distribution that we can pull bits and pieces into transparently ... I'm still not quite sure where this is headed or why, but if nothing else pgsql could and should

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 02:05, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Neil Conway wrote: On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 02:01:43AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: add in 'fix pg_hba.conf / password issues' to that too :) I doubt that will make 7.3 -- the

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 06:48, Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Wed, 31 Jul 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: One idea I had was to look for a colon in the username, and if I see one, I assume everything after the colon is a password. Would that work for you? That would definitely work ... but I

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Dave Page
-Original Message- From: Iavor Raytchev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 31 July 2002 22:12 To: pgsql-hackers Cc: pgaccess - developers Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items psql is very definitely not ready, nor is pgaccess. I could not really trace who said this.

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Bruce Momjian dijo: Here are the open items for 7.3. We have one more month to address them before beta. CLUSTER - ready? I'm just back. I'll have a look at the problem with the patch and resubmit. -- Alvaro Herrera (alvherre[a]atentus.com) Es filosofo el que disfruta con los enigmas

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
NAMEDATALEN - disk/performance penalty for increase, 64, 128? FUNC_MAX_ARGS - disk/performance penalty for increase, 24, 32? At the moment I don't see a lot of solid evidence that increasing NAMEDATALEN has any performance penalty. Someone reported about a 10% slowdown on pgbench

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Jean-Michel POURE
Le Mercredi 31 Juillet 2002 05:50, Bruce Momjian a écrit : Here are the open items for 7.3. We have one more month to address them before beta. Is CREATE OR REPLACE VIEW on the list? ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Jul 30, 2002 at 09:48:42PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: OK, renamed to backend_pid() to match the libpq name. I was unsure about merging it into the stats stuff myself. setest= select backend_pid(); backend_pid - 12996 (1

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD
But the message I was replying to was a similar union query, and I was thinking that that person might be having a similar initial intuitive reaction, well, it looks kinda the same. I just wanted to note that you need to check this stuff with explain, rather than blindly assuming you know

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Curt Sampson
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: I had a union all view, which is actually a quite different animal than a union view which needs to eliminate duplicates before further processing. I had the same problem with UNION ALL. cjs -- Curt Sampson [EMAIL PROTECTED] +81 90

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 12:29, Curt Sampson wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: I had a union all view, which is actually a quite different animal than a union view which needs to eliminate duplicates before further processing. I had the same problem with UNION

[HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
... is once more 'normal' ... there are three modules right now setup: earthdistance libpqxx pgsql-server pgsql combines all three of the above to transparently give the equivalent of the whole distribution from its component parts ... ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I realize that Marc wasn't proposing splitting off any server-side code, but I still want to tread carefully about breaking up the codebase. Okay, well, the way I'm working it through right now, I'm doing it in such a way that unless you go mucking

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I realize that Marc wasn't proposing splitting off any server-side code, but I still want to tread carefully about breaking up the codebase. Okay, well, the way I'm working it through right now, I'm doing it

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Hannu Krosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This name mangling should be done at connect time and kept out of database, where each users name should always be fully resolved ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I really like Hannu's approach to this. It seems to solve Marc's problem with a very simple, easily

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Stephan Szabo
On 1 Aug 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 12:29, Curt Sampson wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: I had a union all view, which is actually a quite different animal than a union view which needs to eliminate duplicates before further processing.

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:01:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: Is there some common convention of names? No, there isn't (for example, pg_stat_backend_id() versus current_schema() -- or pg_get_viewdef() versus obj_description() ). Now that we have table functions, we might be using more built-in

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Rod Taylor
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 10:44, Neil Conway wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:01:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: Is there some common convention of names? functions. However, establishing a naming convention without breaking backwards compatibility might be tricky. Supporting both names for a

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Stephan Szabo wrote: On 1 Aug 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 12:29, Curt Sampson wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Zeugswetter Andreas SB SD wrote: I had a union all view, which is actually a quite different animal than a union view which needs

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Karel Zak
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:44:23AM -0400, Neil Conway wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:01:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: Is there some common convention of names? No, there isn't (for example, pg_stat_backend_id() versus I know -- for this I asked. IMHO for large project like PostgreSQL

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday 31 July 2002 09:38 pm, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Okay ... since this is pretty much going to be 'one camp for, one camp against' without anything to really back up either camps perspectives / arguments, I did some research on CVS in order to find a nice, effective middle ground ...

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Jeff MacDonald
And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. This may sound like a dumb question, but DBD::Pg == DBI right ? not pg.pm I code perl about 25 hours a week, and DBI has never failed me yet.

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 01 August 2002 12:05 pm, Jeff MacDonald wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. This may sound like a dumb question, but DBD::Pg == DBI right ? not pg.pm Right.

Re: [HACKERS] WAL file location

2002-08-01 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Jul 31, 2002 at 11:20:35PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote: I am wondering why we even want to specify the WAL location anywhere except as a flag to initdb. If you specify a location at initdb time, it creates the /xlog directory, then symlinks it into /data. I thought the whole point

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... is once more 'normal' ... Uh, it's completely broken as far as I can tell. $ pwd /home/postgres/pgsql/src/bin/pg_dump $ cvs status cvs server: Examining . cvs server: failed to create lock directory for

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... is once more 'normal' ... Uh, it's completely broken as far as I can tell. $ pwd /home/postgres/pgsql/src/bin/pg_dump $ cvs status cvs server: Examining . cvs server: failed to create lock directory for

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Rod Taylor
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 15:33, Vince Vielhaber wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... is once more 'normal' ... Uh, it's completely broken as far as I can tell. $ pwd /home/postgres/pgsql/src/bin/pg_dump $ cvs status cvs

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, http://developer.postgresql.org/cvsweb.cgi/pgsql/ isn't working. What'r you typin about? It works fine. Ok, ok.. It does *NOW*. :) Well, of course that specific URL doesn't work because it's actually pgsql-server. Well, it did work before,

[HACKERS] Module Portability

2002-08-01 Thread Paul Ramsey
All this talk of modularity reminds me of a pet peeve: doing dump/restore upgrades when your databases include extension functions is highly clunky, because extension functions include the fully qualified path to the linking library. So, for example create function geometry_in(opaque)

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On 1 Aug 2002, Rod Taylor wrote: On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 15:33, Vince Vielhaber wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... is once more 'normal' ... Uh, it's completely broken as far as I can tell. $ pwd

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Rod Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, http://developer.postgresql.org/cvsweb.cgi/pgsql/ isn't working. What'r you typin about? It works fine. Ok, ok.. It does *NOW*. :) Well, of course that specific URL doesn't work because it's actually

Re: [HACKERS] CVS server problem!

2002-08-01 Thread Greg Copeland
Seems the CVS server is not working correctly. I just deleted my CVS tree and did a fresh checkout of the pgsql module. Everything seemingly went well. After the check out completed, I did: [gcope@mouse pgsql]$ ./configure --with-tcl --with-java --with-python --with-perl checking build

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Nigel J. Andrews
Someone said earlier cvsup would have problems but the anonymous cvs would work fine. Well I've just had a weirdness reconfiguring and rebuilding my few weeks old 7.3dev tree and so deleted it and tried using the anoncvs to get pgsql. Running configure gives me the error: ./configure:

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Greg Copeland
Looks like I replied to the wrong thread...here's a repeat... Seems the CVS server is not working correctly. I just deleted my CVS tree and did a fresh checkout of the pgsql module. Everything seemingly went well. After the check out completed, I did: [gcope@mouse pgsql]$ ./configure

Re: [HACKERS] CVS server problem!

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Should be fixed now ... I found a rsync.core file, so it looks like the changes may have been more extensive then rsync could handle ... just ran it manually (or, rather, am running as I type this), so by the time you receive, a checkout should grab the right structures ... Let me know if it

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For union, queries that want to do something like use a temporary sequence to act sort of like rownum and do row limiting. Admittedly that's already pretty much unspecified behavior, but it does change the behavior in the place of duplicate removal.

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For union, queries that want to do something like use a temporary sequence to act sort of like rownum and do row limiting. Admittedly that's already pretty much unspecified behavior, but it does change the

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Jean-Michel POURE wrote: Le Mercredi 31 Juillet 2002 05:50, Bruce Momjian a ?crit : Here are the open items for 7.3. We have one more month to address them before beta. Is CREATE OR REPLACE VIEW on the list? No. It can still be done, but no one is working on it. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: [HACKERS] CVS server problem!

2002-08-01 Thread Greg Copeland
Yes, it's compiling now...thanks. Greg On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 18:31, Marc G. Fournier wrote: Should be fixed now ... I found a rsync.core file, so it looks like the changes may have been more extensive then rsync could handle ... just ran it manually (or, rather, am running as I type this),

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, it did work before, and I'd really like it to work again. I do not want to think about how Marc's broken apart the distribution when I'm looking at my local tree, and I don't want to think about it when I'm looking at cvsweb either. You

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually I think in except you may only push down to the left, since in this case you know that any duplicate from the right will not be returned (since there must be none). So, you can't potentially drop a row from the right side that may have been a

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat: Getting code via CVSup ...

2002-08-01 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:56:11AM -0300, Marc G. Fournier wrote: I've just updated the README.cvsup file in order to reflect the changes, to provide a sample of how to download the whole thing, as well as instructions on how to do just a particular module: I'm using the following cvsup file,

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On Wednesday 31 July 2002 04:56 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote: Thomas Lockhart wrote: Tom Lane wrote: I agree that if we could quickly come to a resolution about how this ought to work, there's plenty of time to go off and implement it. afaict someone else volunteered to do the work. There

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 18:02, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For union, queries that want to do something like use a temporary sequence to act sort of like rownum and do row limiting. Admittedly that's already pretty much unspecified behavior, but it does change

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat: Getting code via CVSup ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Try now ... the download isn't going to work right though, as CVSup doesn't honor the modules file in CVSROOT which defines how 'pgsql' is *supposed* to work ... I'm going to work on this later tonight and see if I can find something in the docs that will allow it to work properly, but right

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If we assume two collations one case sensitive one not with the except in the non-sensitive and the where in the sensitive and a left with 'A' and right with 'a', it'd be incorrect to push a case sensitive

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Hannu Krosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This name mangling should be done at connect time and kept out of database, where each users name should always be fully resolved ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I really like Hannu's approach to this. It seems to solve Marc's problem with

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with Edmund about moving DBD into our CVS and updating CPAN ourselves. Should have a final answer soon.

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: So, from the 'client side', y'all will still see everything as one big package, while from the 'server side', I'll have the seperate modules taht can be packaged independently ... Marc, how are you dealing with libpq's access to the server include files? -- Bruce

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Added to TODO: * Consistently name server-side internal functions --- Karel Zak wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:44:23AM -0400, Neil Conway wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:01:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote:

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
I can rename backend_pid if people want. I just made it consistent with the other functions in that docs area. Comments? --- Karel Zak wrote: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 10:44:23AM -0400, Neil Conway wrote: On Thu, Aug

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 16:17, Tom Lane wrote: Hannu Krosing [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This name mangling should be done at connect time and kept out of database, where each users name should always be fully resolved ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). I really like Hannu's approach to this. It seems

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: ... is once more 'normal' ... there are three modules right now setup: earthdistance libpqxx pgsql-server pgsql combines all three of the above to transparently give the equivalent of the whole distribution from its component parts ... Marc, I have to ask,

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Hannu Krosing
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 19:41, Bruce Momjian wrote: Added to TODO: * Consistently name server-side internal functions I'd suggest: * Make up rules for consistently naming server-side internal functions * Consistently name _new_ server-side internal functions * make a plan for

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: So, from the 'client side', y'all will still see everything as one big package, while from the 'server side', I'll have the seperate modules taht can be packaged independently ... Marc, how are you dealing with libpq's

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: So, from the 'client side', y'all will still see everything as one big package, while from the 'server side', I'll have the seperate modules taht can be packaged independently ... Marc, how

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with Edmund about moving DBD into our CVS and updating CPAN ourselves. Should

Re: [HACKERS] Why is MySQL more chosen over PostgreSQL?

2002-08-01 Thread Greg Copeland
On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 14:54, Hannu Krosing wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 16:00, Curt Sampson wrote: On 30 Jul 2002, Hannu Krosing wrote: On Tue, 2002-07-30 at 14:51, Adrian 'Dagurashibanipal' von Bidder wrote: Bruce Momjian: It causes too much complexity in other parts of the

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Dann Corbit
I have discussed the idea of contributing our Win32 work to the PostgreSQL project with management. We have also converted all of the utilities (initdb, psql, pg_dump, pg_restore, pg_id, pg_passwd, etc.) Management is (rightfully) concerned about recouping the many thousands of dollars invested

Re: [HACKERS] cvs checkout pgsql

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Marc G. Fournier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... is once more 'normal' ... Uh, it's completely broken as far as I can tell. $ pwd /home/postgres/pgsql/src/bin/pg_dump $ cvs status cvs server: Examining . cvs server: failed to create lock directory for

[HACKERS] Disable foreign key constraints

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Do we have any way to disable foreign key constraints? If not, I would like to add it to TODO. I was asked for this feature several times at O'Reilly. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 853-3000 + If your life

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Oleg Bartunov
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with Edmund about moving DBD into

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Oleg Bartunov wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Dann Corbit wrote: I have discussed the idea of contributing our Win32 work to the PostgreSQL project with management. We have also converted all of the utilities (initdb, psql, pg_dump, pg_restore, pg_id, pg_passwd, etc.) Management is (rightfully) concerned about

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if T1 has a #dups0 and T2 has a #dups0 we should get no rows, but what if T1' (with the clause) has a #dups0 but T2' has a #dups=0? Um, you're right --- pushing down into the right-hand side would reduce N, thereby possibly *increasing* the number of

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: So, from the 'client side', y'all will still see everything as one big package, while from the 'server side', I'll have the seperate modules taht

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Neil Conway
On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 05:09:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: I know -- for this I asked. IMHO for large project like PostgreSQL it's important. It's not good if there is possible speculate about name of new function. It must be unmistakable -- for this is needful make some convension. If

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with Edmund about moving DBD into

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
Ummm ... stupid question, but can we even bring this into the 'core'? You may distribute under the terms of either the GNU General Public License or the Artistic License, as specified in the Perl README file. On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Oleg Bartunov wrote: On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: Ummm ... stupid question, but can we even bring this into the 'core'? You may distribute under the terms of either the GNU General Public License or the Artistic License, as specified in the Perl README file. Artistic License is fine, I think. -- Bruce

Re: [HACKERS] Disable foreign key constraints

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do we have any way to disable foreign key constraints? You can drop and re-add the constraint relatively painlessly in 7.3. Formerly it took hacking on pg_trigger. regards, tom lane ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Disable foreign key constraints

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do we have any way to disable foreign key constraints? You can drop and re-add the constraint relatively painlessly in 7.3. Formerly it took hacking on pg_trigger. OK, let's see if it comes up after 7.3. -- Bruce Momjian

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 01 August 2002 02:21 pm, Bruce Momjian wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Lamar Owen wrote: And the sooner our very old perl client goes away, the better I like it. It is a good client, don't get me wrong: but DBD:Pg is the standard now. I have been in contact with Edmund

Re: [HACKERS] Rules and Views

2002-08-01 Thread Stephan Szabo
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Tom Lane wrote: Stephan Szabo [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So if T1 has a #dups0 and T2 has a #dups0 we should get no rows, but what if T1' (with the clause) has a #dups0 but T2' has a #dups=0? Um, you're right --- pushing down into the right-hand side would reduce N,

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Neil Conway writes: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:01:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: Is there some common convention of names? No, there isn't (for example, pg_stat_backend_id() versus current_schema() -- or pg_get_viewdef() versus obj_description() ). The pg_ naming scheme is obsolete because

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Actually, what I'd prefer it do is try first for username, and then username@databasename if plain username isn't found.) Yes, that would be very easy to do _except_ for pg_hba.conf which does a first-match for username. We could get into trouble

Re: [HACKERS] Module Portability

2002-08-01 Thread Oleg Bartunov
Contrib modules does have such possibility. For example: CREATE FUNCTION ltree_in(opaque) RETURNS opaque AS 'MODULE_PATHNAME' LANGUAGE 'c' with (isstrict); Oleg On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Paul Ramsey wrote: All this talk of modularity reminds me of a pet peeve: doing dump/restore upgrades

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: OK, I have attached a patch for testing. Sample output is: $ sql -U guest test psql: FATAL: user test.guest does not exist $ createuser test.guest I will object to any scheme that makes any characters in the user name magic. Two reasons: First,

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Marc G. Fournier writes: Next, unless Peter knows how to do it already, I've gotta learn to make configure more intelligent, so that for all intents, the pieces look like one package when building, not just when coding ... It is possible, but it's not going to work. There is a lot of

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane writes: We've had several proposals in this thread for complicated extensions to the user naming mechanism. I think that's overdesigning the feature, because we have *no* examples of real-world need for such things except for Marc's situation. Let's keep it simple until we see

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Lamar Owen writes: allow specification of configuration files in a different directory I am going to review the previous thread and attempt to distill what can be done. I will then post a summary of what I found, with potential commentary. If a consensus is reached, I'd like to see

Re: [HACKERS] Module Portability

2002-08-01 Thread Paul Ramsey
Correct me if I am wrong (I often am) but isn't MODULE_PATHNAME replaced by the fully qualified module path during the build process? I mean, the source code is movable, but a running installed system, with real data, is not movable, because MODULE_PATHNAME gets mapped to

Re: [HACKERS] Trim the Fat (Was: Re: Open 7.3 items )

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Marc G. Fournier writes: I haven't touched libpq yet ... I'm talking with the libpqxx guys right now concerning getting the standalone libpqxx to work, and will be working on figuring out how to get the 'master configure' to make use of the standalone configure once that is fixed ... I want

Re: [HACKERS] Module Portability

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Paul Ramsey writes: It would be nice if pgsql had a 'default library location' Sure. That's why it was implemented in 7.2. -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives?

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: Artistic License is fine, I think. The Artistic License doesn't even qualify as Free Software as far as the FSF is concerned. More generally, it is a different license, and that is a problem. -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---(end of

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: OK, I got the go-ahead from Edmund. We will have DBD:pg in the 7.3 tarball. I will add it to CVS today or tomorrow. Please, no more Perl modules in our CVS! The ones we have are already messy enough to build. I thought we were talking about trimming the source

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 01 August 2002 04:37 pm, Peter Eisentraut wrote: I thought we were talking about trimming the source tree, not adding more. Why not put it on gborg or somewhere else? It's already in CPAN. A link to CPAN should suffice, IMHO. I also thought we were discussing trimming the tree;

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 01 August 2002 04:06 pm, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Another issue, which becomes even more problematic if you factor in the WAL file location discussion, is that if we drive the location of the data from the configuration file instead of vice versa, we need to have initdb smart

Re: [HACKERS] Module Portability

2002-08-01 Thread Paul Ramsey
Color me embarrased. / Peter Eisentraut wrote: Paul Ramsey writes: It would be nice if pgsql had a 'default library location' Sure. That's why it was implemented in 7.2. -- Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ / | Paul Ramsey | Refractions Research

Re: [HACKERS] getpid() function

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Neil Conway writes: On Thu, Aug 01, 2002 at 12:01:52PM +0200, Karel Zak wrote: Is there some common convention of names? No, there isn't (for example, pg_stat_backend_id() versus current_schema() -- or pg_get_viewdef() versus obj_description() ). The pg_

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Actually, what I'd prefer it do is try first for username, and then username@databasename if plain username isn't found.) Yes, that would be very easy to do _except_ for pg_hba.conf which does a first-match for username. We

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Tom Lane writes: We've had several proposals in this thread for complicated extensions to the user naming mechanism. I think that's overdesigning the feature, because we have *no* examples of real-world need for such things except for Marc's situation. Let's

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Thu, 1 Aug 2002, Bruce Momjian wrote: Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian writes: OK, I have attached a patch for testing. Sample output is: $ sql -U guest test psql: FATAL: user test.guest does not exist $ createuser test.guest I will object to any scheme

Re: [HACKERS] PITR, checkpoint, and local relations

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
J.R needs comments on this. PITR has problems because local relations aren't logged to WAL. Suggestions? --- J. R. Nield wrote: As per earlier discussion, I'm working on the hot backup issues as part of the PITR

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian writes: Artistic License is fine, I think. The Artistic License doesn't even qualify as Free Software as far as the FSF is concerned. More generally, it is a different license, and that is a problem. Well, our ODBC is LGPL. I wonder if Edmund

Re: [HACKERS] Open 7.3 items

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: I will object to any scheme that makes any characters in the user name magic. Two reasons: First, do it right, make a separate column. Second, several tools use URI syntax to specify data sources. This will break any feature that relies on being able to put

Re: [HACKERS] Trimming the Fat, Part Deux ...

2002-08-01 Thread Bruce Momjian
Lamar Owen wrote: On Thursday 01 August 2002 04:37 pm, Peter Eisentraut wrote: I thought we were talking about trimming the source tree, not adding more. Why not put it on gborg or somewhere else? It's already in CPAN. A link to CPAN should suffice, IMHO. I also thought we were

Re: [HACKERS] PITR, checkpoint, and local relations

2002-08-01 Thread J. R. Nield
On Thu, 2002-08-01 at 17:14, Bruce Momjian wrote: J.R needs comments on this. PITR has problems because local relations aren't logged to WAL. Suggestions? I'm sorry if it wasn't clear. The issue is not that local relations aren't logged to WAL, they are. The issue is that you can't

[HACKERS] FUNC_MAX_ARGS benchmarks

2002-08-01 Thread Neil Conway
Ok, here are some crude benchmarks to attempt to measure the effect of changing FUNC_MAX_ARGS. The benchmark script executed: CREATE FUNCTION test_func(int, int, int, int, int, int, int, int) RETURNS INTEGER AS 'SELECT $1 + $2 + $3 + $4 + $5 + $6 + $7 + $8' LANGUAGE 'sql' VOLATILE; Followed by

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