Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-04 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Migration is really only half the story, or not even that much. Every time you move to a new Postgres version you have to do extensive work

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Greg Sabino Mullane
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 Mark wrote: Doesn't mean that packagers have to make new packages ... I personally think new packages shouldn't be made for anything older then *maybe* 3

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com wrote: Mark wrote: Doesn't mean that packagers have to make new packages ... I personally think new packages shouldn't be made for anything older then *maybe* 3 releases (8.2, 8.3 and 8.4), but even that I think tends to be

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Ron Mayer
Dave Page wrote: On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: ... 8.1 in RHEL5 ... +1 for letting 7.* and 8.0 die whenever no-one's motivated to bother supporting it anymore. Presumably you'll be on the hook until 2014 for 8.1 security patches I can't see the

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Robert Haas wrote: Again, to emphasize: many people are using 7.4, or 8.0, or 8.1, not because they necessarily want to, but they can't easily afford the downtime to upgrade. Cutting them off arbitrarily early won't win us any friends. Once pg_migrator (or better, in-place upgrades) is

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-02 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Robert Haas wrote: Again, to emphasize: many people are using 7.4, or 8.0, or 8.1, not because they necessarily want to, but they can't easily afford the downtime to upgrade. Cutting them off arbitrarily early won't win us any friends. Once pg_migrator (or better, in-place upgrades) is working

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com writes: This thread never got resolved. I think we can all agree that EOL for 7.4 is a when, not an if? Can we get -core to take a stance here and pick a date? I like the clean smooth lines of January 2011, and thus saying that 2010 is the last year in

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Tom Lane t...@sss.pgh.pa.us wrote: Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com writes: This thread never got resolved. I think we can all agree that EOL for 7.4 is a when, not an if? Can we get -core to take a stance here and pick a date? I like the clean smooth lines

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009, Tom Lane wrote: Greg Sabino Mullane g...@turnstep.com writes: This thread never got resolved. I think we can all agree that EOL for 7.4 is a when, not an if? Can we get -core to take a stance here and pick a date? I like the clean smooth lines of January 2011, and thus

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Marc G. Fournier scra...@hub.org writes: What are RedHats EOL dates for the various releases? Dave already mentioned a public page for that: http://www.redhat.com/security/updates/errata/ Based on track record so far, Red Hat isn't going to care about anything but high-priority security issues

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Scrappy
is there a reason why we can't follow a similar 4+3 life cycle? packagers r produced for the first 4y after .0 release and only source updates for year 5 thru 7? if we could advertise such on the web, there would be no question as to when bug reports are accepted (n+4y) and when only

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Scrappy wrote: is there a reason why we can't follow a similar 4+3 life cycle? packagers r produced for the first 4y after .0 release and only source updates for year 5 thru 7? if we could advertise such on the web, there would be no question as to when bug reports are accepted (n+4y)

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Andrew Dunstan and...@dunslane.net writes: The time between these periodic debates seems to be getting shorter and shorter. No, this is just a continuation of the unresolved thread from a month or so ago. regards, tom lane -- Sent via pgsql-hackers mailing list

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: Personally I'll still be on the hook for maintaining 8.1 in RHEL5 so I'd be just as happy to keep it alive a bit longer, but if the community doesn't want to deal with it that makes perfect sense. Some people consider the extended support and easy upgrades of the RHEL5

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com writes: Some people consider the extended support and easy upgrades of the RHEL5 versions valuable enough that they have a strong preference to use the version of PostgreSQL that ships with it. Right now, when such people ask me about using 8.1 in that

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Tom Lane wrote: Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com writes: Some people consider the extended support and easy upgrades of the RHEL5 versions valuable enough that they have a strong preference to use the version of PostgreSQL that ships with it. Right now, when such people ask me about

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: Well, actually, if it's just what will RH support, I just today got launch commit on this... What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Tom Lane
Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com writes: What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux space, whereas I don't know of any situation where 7.4/8.0 can be

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
On Tue, 2009-12-01 at 17:14 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: However, if you are paying attention to what has shipped in recent Fedora releases, it's not hard to figure out that it will have PG = 8.4. I thought RHEL 6 would ship with 8.3. It will be perfect if it skips 8.3. -- Devrim GÜNDÜZ, RHCE

Re: [CORE] [HACKERS] EOL for 7.4?

2009-12-01 Thread Greg Smith
Tom Lane wrote: Greg Smith g...@2ndquadrant.com writes: What I was trying to suggest was that right now, there are situations where a new deployment on 8.1 is still completely reasonable and possible to justify in the Enterprise Linux space, whereas I don't know of any situation where