On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 04:41:35PM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
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My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to
I'm certain you guys could do a far better installer than the one Oracle
has, which is very, very fragile. There's all kinds of wonkiness to try
and get it to work on a non-supported linux distro (gentoo in my case),
and from talking to people who've dealt with it on redhat it's no
better.
Also,
Jean-Michel POURE wrote:
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My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
Dear Bruce,
Taking the example of pgAdmin III,
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My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
Dear Bruce,
Taking the example of pgAdmin III, which reached nearly one million hits in
December
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 16:36:57 -0400,
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Ease of use is VERY important, but few suggestions that address this are
ever really accepted. Yes, focusing on the functionality is the primary
concern, but how you set it up and deploy it is VERY important. You guys
need to
I think that when considering install, it is very
important, if not critical, that we all understand who
is doing the install. Certainly if it is a person
much like us, meaning people on the
hackers/development list, we can all handle more terse
installs. Personally, I like the freedom of
Bruce Momjian wrote:
My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
MySQL was my first introduction to SQL databases (I had dabbled with
Clipper and Foxpro years earlier, but only for a couple of months and
had
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Here is a blog about a recent MySQL conference with title, Why MySQL
Grew So Fast:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/4715
and a a Slashdot discussion about it:
http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/04/20/2229212mode=nestedtid=137tid=185tid=187tid=198
My
My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
Questions I have are:
o Are we focused enough on ease-of-use issues?
There are two issues here : ease-of-use for admin and basic users.
I recognize my
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:05:21PM +0700, David Garamond wrote:
So in my opinion, as long as the general awareness about RDBMS (on what
tasks/responsibilities it should do, what features it generally has to
have, etc) is low, people will be looking at MySQL as good enough and
will not be
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
When I ask about non-standard complience of Pg (turning unquoted
identifiers to lowercase instead of uppercase, violating the SQL
standard, and requring an expensive rewrite of clients), and I get the
answer uppercase is ugly, I think something
Karel Zak wrote:
On Fri, Apr 23, 2004 at 01:05:21PM +0700, David Garamond wrote:
So in my opinion, as long as the general awareness about RDBMS (on what
tasks/responsibilities it should do, what features it generally has to
have, etc) is low, people will be looking at MySQL as good enough and
Dennis Bjorklund [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
When I ask about non-standard complience of Pg (turning unquoted
identifiers to lowercase instead of uppercase, violating the SQL
standard, and requring an expensive rewrite of clients), and I get the
There are two issues here : ease-of-use for admin and basic users.
On for former point, admin ease-of-use, A little story a few month ago.
I succeeded in advising production people here to switch some applications
from a mysql database, which was working perfectly, to a postgres
database. A
Dear Matthew,
My goal is to have pg_autovacuum integrated into the backend for 7.5.
I know about that, and that would be a good thing.
I don't know if it will default to being turned on or off, I'm sure that
will be a discussion, but if it is defaulted to on, then this whole
problem of
Bruce Momjian wrote:
My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
MySQL became popular at my university when the students discovered they
could install it on their personal computers. Just the exposure for
My goal is to have pg_autovacuum integrated into the backend for 7.5.
I know about that, and that would be a good thing.
I hope so!
I don't know if it will default to being turned on or off, I'm sure that
will be a discussion, but if it is defaulted to on, then this whole
problem of having
Matthew T. O'Connor wrote:
I think it's premature to have this conversation. I need to get something
done / working before we dicuss optimal configuration. That said, I also
agree that if it's good enough, it should be on by default.
Good luck;-)
Thanks, I'll need it
Matthew
Does the current implementation of pg_autovacuum have a way of setting
windows where it is allowed to vacuum? Many large 24/7 will only allow
vacuumming at certain times of the day.
Dave
On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 08:58, Matthew T. O'Connor wrote:
There are two issues here : ease-of-use for admin
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:07:20 -0400
Dave Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the current implementation of pg_autovacuum have a way of setting
windows where it is allowed to vacuum? Many large 24/7 will only allow
vacuumming at certain times of the day.
It seems to me that the point of
Does the current implementation of pg_autovacuum have a way of setting
windows where it is allowed to vacuum? Many large 24/7 will only allow
vacuumming at certain times of the day.
No the current implementation doesn't, but such a feature is in the works
(planned anyway). What I was
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:07:20 -0400
Dave Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the current implementation of pg_autovacuum have a way of setting
windows where it is allowed to vacuum? Many large 24/7 will only allow
vacuumming at certain times of the day.
It seems to me that the point of
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 11:07:20 -0400
Dave Cramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Does the current implementation of pg_autovacuum have a way of setting
windows where it is allowed to vacuum? Many large 24/7 will only allow
vacuumming at certain times of the day.
It seems
On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:08:30 -0400 (EDT)
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
D'Arcy J.M. Cain wrote:
It seems to me that the point of pg_autovacuum would be to run 24/7
so that there is never big hit on the system. Perhaps it could be
designed to throttle itself based on current system
On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 21:09, Bruce Momjian wrote:
Questions I have are:
o Are we marketing ourselves properly?
It is perhaps less a matter of marketing and more a matter of
word-of-mouth mind share. I don't see much evidence of effective direct
marketing, but I've noticed a huge growth
J. Andrew Rogers wrote:
No. The greatest strength of Postgres, marketing-wise, are technical
and is what drives its growth today. I think most of the ease-of-use
issues are in the packaging of the larger Postgres product and
mid-level
developer documentation, both of which seem to be
I have been thinking about this subject for a LONG time, and I hope I have
something to contribute.
My question is, What can we learn from MySQL? I don't know there is
anything, but I think it makes sense to ask the question.
Questions I have are:
o Are we marketing ourselves
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o Are we marketing ourselves properly?
while talking about MySQL, there is the myth, that MySQL is fast; and that
because MyISAM has no transactions, that it is faster.
That is in most cases
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I would say this is a clear 'NO!' When ever I read about open-source being
used anywhere, I always read MySQL. They are *very* good at this.
yes!
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