Re: [HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'
mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If no hba_conf and/or ident_conf setting is specified, the default $PGDATA/pg_hba.conf and/or $PGDATA/pg_ident.conf will be used. Doesn't anybody see the (a) inconsistency and (b) uselessness of this? If you are trying to keep your config files out of the data directory, it's hardly sensible to default to finding two out of three there. We should have a -C that specifies a *directory*, and all three config files should be sought therein. The argument that that somehow forces people to use symlinks doesn't convince me at all. But I've grown tired of arguing, because it's clear that I'm making no impact whatever :-(. I'm done with this thread. regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'
Tom Lane wrote: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If no hba_conf and/or ident_conf setting is specified, the default $PGDATA/pg_hba.conf and/or $PGDATA/pg_ident.conf will be used. Doesn't anybody see the (a) inconsistency and (b) uselessness of this? If you are trying to keep your config files out of the data directory, it's hardly sensible to default to finding two out of three there. We should have a -C that specifies a *directory*, and all three config files should be sought therein. The argument that that somehow forces people to use symlinks doesn't convince me at all. But I've grown tired of arguing, because it's clear that I'm making no impact whatever :-(. I'm done with this thread. Tom, I don't know why you are arguing at all. One thing I wish to impress on you, I think it is a point of view you are missing. It isn't about something being easier as much as it is about being flexable enough to fit into the deployment strategy of the admin or vendor. Sometimes you make things more difficult when you make it more standardized. When I setup a system with Apache, PHP, PostgreSQL, named, et al, I am always just irritated that PostgreSQL's configuration parameters can not be stored with all the others. I usually make one install tarball or zip that contains all the binaries and configuration. I can't do that with PostgreSQL. I don't like the idea of specifying a directory, per se' because if you have multiple database installations, how would you share the configuration without symlinks? I will modify my patch to check if the configuration parameter is a directory. If it is, it will make the default filenames within the directory and post it when it is gone. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'
Tom Lane wrote: mlw [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If no hba_conf and/or ident_conf setting is specified, the default $PGDATA/pg_hba.conf and/or $PGDATA/pg_ident.conf will be used. Doesn't anybody see the (a) inconsistency and (b) uselessness of this? If you are trying to keep your config files out of the data directory, it's hardly sensible to default to finding two out of three there. We should have a -C that specifies a *directory*, and all three config files should be sought therein. The argument that that somehow forces people to use symlinks doesn't convince me at all. I think the issue here is that symlinks are OK to implement unusual configuration cases, and I think we can say having the three config files in different directories is unusual. I think you have to weigh the downside of using symlinks for rare configurations compared to the complexity of specifying the config file locations in three separate cases. I had thrown out the idea of putting the config files in their own directory _under_ /data, like /data/etc, so you could just symlink that directory to somewhere else. Makes backups of config files easy, and makes it initdb-safe, because only the symlink can be under /data. However, no one commented on it, so I assume they didn't like it. It seems like a nice middle ground to me. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send unregister YourEmailAddressHere to [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [HACKERS] new Configuration patch, implements 'include'
mlw wrote: I don't like the idea of specifying a directory, per se' because if you have multiple database installations, how would you share the configuration without symlinks? Oh, for example, you would be sharing postgresql.conf, perhaps, but not pg_hba.conf. -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
