Re: [PATCHES] Autovacuum Integration Patch Take 5
Matthew, your reply was exactly the type of reply I would have made in your situation. Your arguments are clear and indisputable. Due to the many large patches the we had to process during this release, we serialized their review. However, I made promises to developers that their patches would get the same consideration if they were reviewed early or late. Obviously this wasn't true of your patch. We found more issues than we thought and didn't give you time to address them. Frankly we are lucky autovacuum was the only item that didn't make it because several features were in similar need of major work. Of course that is no consolation to you and people looking for autovacuum in 8.0. Not sure what I can do about it at this point. I am going to write up a whole documentation section on 3rd party tools and interfaces and pg_autovacuum would have a big mention there. There is the issue of Win32 and the need for pg_autovacuum to start easily. --- Matthew T. O'Connor wrote: Tom Lane wrote: You're headed in the right direction, but I'm afraid we're running out of time. The core committee has chewed this over and agreed that we can't postpone beta for the amount of time we think it will take to make this patch committable. So we're going to hold it over for the 8.1 release cycle. I have to make a personal apology to you for the fact that things worked out this way. I really should have looked at your patch much earlier and given you some feedback that might have allowed you to resolve the issues in time. I did not because (a) I felt that the other patches I was working on were more important features (a judgment I still stand by) and (b) I thought your patch was in good enough shape that we could apply it with little effort. That judgment was badly off, and again I must apologize for it. I hope you won't get discouraged, and will continue to work on an integrated autovacuum for 8.1. AGGGHH! This is very frustrating. I saw this coming weeks and weeks ago and tried to get people's attention so that this wouldn't happen. Aside from my personal frustration, I will say that autovacuum is a high priority for lots of users of autovacuum and there are already lots of users looking forward to it being in 8.0. FWIW, I tried to clean up as much stuff as I could the other night and submit and updated patch, I would guess that it wouldn't take you very long to clean up the shutdown issues. BTW, I choose to try to integrate it into the backend on the recomendation of several people on the hackers list despite my warnings that I would probably need help with the backend code issues. I could have instead put my time towards an improved version in contrib, now the end-users will have to go another release cycle without any of the feature improvements I had hoped for. FWIW, core has also agreed that we want to shoot for a much shorter release cycle for 8.1 than we have had in the past couple of releases. It seems likely that as the new 8.0 features are shaken out, 8.1 will be mostly a mop-up development cycle, and that we will want to push it out relatively soon (we're thinking of perhaps 3-4 months in development, with a total release cycle of 6-7 months). I think we have all heard this before ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend -- Bruce Momjian| http://candle.pha.pa.us [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup.| Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PATCHES] Autovacuum Integration Patch Take 5
Tom Lane wrote: You're headed in the right direction, but I'm afraid we're running out of time. The core committee has chewed this over and agreed that we can't postpone beta for the amount of time we think it will take to make this patch committable. So we're going to hold it over for the 8.1 release cycle. I have to make a personal apology to you for the fact that things worked out this way. I really should have looked at your patch much earlier and given you some feedback that might have allowed you to resolve the issues in time. I did not because (a) I felt that the other patches I was working on were more important features (a judgment I still stand by) and (b) I thought your patch was in good enough shape that we could apply it with little effort. That judgment was badly off, and again I must apologize for it. I hope you won't get discouraged, and will continue to work on an integrated autovacuum for 8.1. AGGGHH! This is very frustrating. I saw this coming weeks and weeks ago and tried to get people's attention so that this wouldn't happen. Aside from my personal frustration, I will say that autovacuum is a high priority for lots of users of autovacuum and there are already lots of users looking forward to it being in 8.0. FWIW, I tried to clean up as much stuff as I could the other night and submit and updated patch, I would guess that it wouldn't take you very long to clean up the shutdown issues. BTW, I choose to try to integrate it into the backend on the recomendation of several people on the hackers list despite my warnings that I would probably need help with the backend code issues. I could have instead put my time towards an improved version in contrib, now the end-users will have to go another release cycle without any of the feature improvements I had hoped for. FWIW, core has also agreed that we want to shoot for a much shorter release cycle for 8.1 than we have had in the past couple of releases. It seems likely that as the new 8.0 features are shaken out, 8.1 will be mostly a mop-up development cycle, and that we will want to push it out relatively soon (we're thinking of perhaps 3-4 months in development, with a total release cycle of 6-7 months). I think we have all heard this before ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend
Re: [PATCHES] Autovacuum Integration Patch Take 5
Tom Lane wrote: Matthew T. O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well I didn't get out of the office as early as I had hoped, and I have stayed up longer than I had planned, but I have a patch that addresses many of the issues raised by Tom. Please take a look at let me know if I'm heading in the right direction. You're headed in the right direction, but I'm afraid we're running out of time. The core committee has chewed this over and agreed that we can't postpone beta for the amount of time we think it will take to make this patch committable. So we're going to hold it over for the 8.1 release cycle. BTW, I know people are eager for 8.0, but given that our release cycle is so long, and that by everyones estimates we are at least 3 months away from a release, what is the hurry for beta? A few more days to get this feature in wouldn't hurt, it was submittted before feature freeze, and I have been waiting weeks on end to get feedback. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org
Re: [PATCHES] Autovacuum Integration Patch Take 5
Matthew T. O'Connor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, I know people are eager for 8.0, but given that our release cycle is so long, and that by everyones estimates we are at least 3 months away from a release, what is the hurry for beta? If I thought we were just a day or two away from having a committable patch, I'd lobby for more delay, but I don't really think that (and now that I know you'll be gone over the next couple days, the odds of that have clearly dropped to zero). We have already slipped beta six weeks from the original plan, and we cannot keep slipping it indefinitely. Again, I do have to apologize for not having found some time to look at your patch earlier. Hindsight is always 20-20 :-( regards, tom lane ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
