Re: [PERFORM] Performance suggestions for an update-mostly database?

2004-10-04 Thread Jim C. Nasby
And obviously make sure you're vacuuming frequently.

On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> > I'm used to performance tuning on a select-heavy database, but this
> > will have a very different impact on the system. Does anyone have any
> > experience with an update heavy system, and have any performance hints
> > or hardware suggestions?
> 
> Minimal/no indexes on the table(s).Raise checkpoint_segments and consider 
> using commit_siblings/commit_delay if it's a multi-stream application.   
> Figure out ways to do inserts instead of updates where possible, and COPY 
> instead of insert, where possible.  Put your WAL on its own disk resource.
> 
> I'm a little curious as to what kind of app would be 95% writes.  A log?
> 
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> San Francisco
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Re: [PERFORM] Performance suggestions for an update-mostly database?

2004-10-04 Thread Josh Berkus
Steve,

> In some ways something like Berkeley DB might be a better match to the
> frontend, but I'm comfortable with PostgreSQL and prefer to have the
> power of SQL commandline for when I need it.

Well, if data corruption is not a concern, you can always turn off 
checkpointing.   This will save you a fair amount of overhead.

You could also look at telegraphCQ.   It's not prodcucton yet, but their idea 
of "streams" as data sources really seems to fit with what you're talking 
about.

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Re: [PERFORM] Performance suggestions for an update-mostly database?

2004-10-04 Thread Steve Atkins
On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 10:38:14AM -0700, Josh Berkus wrote:
> Steve,
> 
> > I'm used to performance tuning on a select-heavy database, but this
> > will have a very different impact on the system. Does anyone have any
> > experience with an update heavy system, and have any performance hints
> > or hardware suggestions?
> 
> Minimal/no indexes on the table(s).Raise checkpoint_segments and consider 
> using commit_siblings/commit_delay if it's a multi-stream application.   
> Figure out ways to do inserts instead of updates where possible, and COPY 
> instead of insert, where possible.  Put your WAL on its own disk resource.

Thanks.

> I'm a little curious as to what kind of app would be 95% writes.  A log?

It's the backend to a web application. The applications mix of queries
is pretty normal, but it uses a large, in-core, write-through cache
between the business logic and the database. It has more than usual
locality on queries over short time periods, so the vast majority of
reads should be answered out of the cache and not touch the database.

In some ways something like Berkeley DB might be a better match to the
frontend, but I'm comfortable with PostgreSQL and prefer to have the
power of SQL commandline for when I need it.

Cheers,
  Steve

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Re: [PERFORM] Performance suggestions for an update-mostly database?

2004-10-04 Thread Josh Berkus
Steve,

> I'm used to performance tuning on a select-heavy database, but this
> will have a very different impact on the system. Does anyone have any
> experience with an update heavy system, and have any performance hints
> or hardware suggestions?

Minimal/no indexes on the table(s).Raise checkpoint_segments and consider 
using commit_siblings/commit_delay if it's a multi-stream application.   
Figure out ways to do inserts instead of updates where possible, and COPY 
instead of insert, where possible.  Put your WAL on its own disk resource.

I'm a little curious as to what kind of app would be 95% writes.  A log?

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Aglio Database Solutions
San Francisco

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[PERFORM] Performance suggestions for an update-mostly database?

2004-10-04 Thread Steve Atkins
I'm putting together a system where the operation mix is likely to be
>95% update, <5% select on primary key.

I'm used to performance tuning on a select-heavy database, but this
will have a very different impact on the system. Does anyone have any
experience with an update heavy system, and have any performance hints
or hardware suggestions?

Cheers,
  Steve

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