[PERFORM] Prefetch - OffTopic

2005-05-10 Thread Mohan, Ross
for time-series and insane fast, nothing beats kdB, I believe

www.kx.com

Not trying to Quisling-out PG here, just hoping to respond to Mr. Olson





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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Lane
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 2:54 PM
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Greg Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 Actually forcing things to use indexes is the wrong direction to go if 
 you're trying to process lots of data and want to stream it off disk 
 as rapidly as possible. I would think about whether you can structure 
 your data such that you can use sequential scans.

Agreed.

 In your application that might be hard. It sounds like you would need 
 more or less one table per stock ticker which would really be hard to 
 manage.

Actually, in a previous lifetime I used to do pretty much the same stuff Matt 
is working on.  The reason I suggested parallelizing is that what you want is 
usually not so much the 200day moving average of FOO, as the 200day moving 
averages of a whole bunch of things.  If your input table contains time-ordered 
data for all those things, then a seqscan works out pretty well.

 One thing you might look into is using the CLUSTER command. But 
 postgres doesn't maintain the cluster ordering so it would require 
 periodically rerunning it.

If the desired sort order is time-based, it falls out pretty much for free in 
this application, because historical data doesn't change -- you are only 
interested in appending at the right.

In said previous lifetime, we used Postgres for tracking our actual 
transactions, but we built a custom file format for storing the individual tick 
data.  That's not stuff you need transactional semantics for; the historical 
data is what it is.  Besides, you need to compress it as much as you can 
because there's always too much of it.  Machines are faster and disk space 
cheaper than they were at the time, but I'd still question the wisdom of using 
a Postgres row for each daily bar, let alone finer-grain data.

regards, tom lane

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Re: [PERFORM] Prefetch - OffTopic

2005-05-10 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohan, Ross) writes:
 for time-series and insane fast, nothing beats kdB, I believe

 www.kx.com

... Which is well and fine if you're prepared to require that all of
the staff that interact with data are skilled APL hackers.  Skilled
enough that they're all ready to leap into Whitney's ASCII-based
variant, K.
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Re: [PERFORM] Prefetch - OffTopic

2005-05-10 Thread Mohan, Ross
Yes, that would be a sufficient (although not necessary) condition for being 
well and fine with kdB. 
Last time I used APL was.pre-Gregorian, so yea, that's scary to me, too. 

( Of course, one can use C/ODBC or Java/JDBC to reach kdB; once there, one uses 
SQL92, or
proprietary kSQL. )



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mohan, Ross) writes:
 for time-series and insane fast, nothing beats kdB, I believe

 www.kx.com

... Which is well and fine if you're prepared to require that all of the staff 
that interact with data are skilled APL hackers.  Skilled enough that they're 
all ready to leap into Whitney's ASCII-based variant, K.
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