Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-28 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
honestly, the unique advantage of having a 64bits vm/image is that we will stop to have the 32bits as a limit to talk with outside world libraries (not a minor thing, IMO). you may think this is not important, since with some work you can still make everything work, but it is: nowadays more and

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-28 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
yeah, that sounds bizarre :) On Jun 28, 2013, at 7:53 AM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 27.06.2013 um 22:33 schrieb p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be: Object Spaces with dedicated GC and possibly dedicated cpu looks like a better idea than a flat 64bit VM and OE to me.

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-28 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 27 June 2013 22:33, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: Object Spaces with dedicated GC and possibly dedicated cpu looks like a better idea than a flat 64bit VM and OE to me. the only problem is that it is much longer walk to get there than the proposed in this topic. Le 27 juin

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 27 June 2013 14:48, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: honestly, depends a lot on who will do it. basically, I see 3 parts: 1) The Stack VM 64bits 2) The Pharo image 64bits. 3) NB-FFI 64 (No point on having a VM who cannot talk with the outside world) a future task could be

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
I told you: 2 man/month (not taking NB-FFI into account) On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: so much? how many men/months? Stef On Jun 27, 2013, at 3:02 PM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2013 14:16, Stéphane Ducasse

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 27 June 2013 18:32, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: I told you: 2 man/month (not taking NB-FFI into account) That is a bit optimistic :) But reasonable. On Jun 27, 2013, at 6:26 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: so much? how many men/months? Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 27 Jun 2013, at 20:41, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 June 2013 18:32, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: I told you: 2 man/month (not taking NB-FFI into account) That is a bit optimistic :) But reasonable. Just to be clear: the goal is to make the current Cog

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread kilon
Just for the notice, because I stirred up the whole discussion about 64 bit pharo. To my knowledge the whole point of having a 64 bit app is that so that app can access more than 4 GBs of Ram. Is that the case or I have no clue what I am talking about ? I have read that already Pharo VM has

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Object Spaces with dedicated GC and possibly dedicated cpu looks like a better idea than a flat 64bit VM and OE to me. Le 27 juin 2013 21:43, Clément Bera bera.clem...@gmail.com a écrit : 2013/6/27 kilon theki...@yahoo.co.uk Just for the notice, because I stirred up the whole discussion about

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] How do can we set up a crowdsourcing for pharo

2013-06-27 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 27.06.2013 um 22:33 schrieb p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be: Object Spaces with dedicated GC and possibly dedicated cpu looks like a better idea than a flat 64bit VM and OE to me. Can you explain what you mean? I cannot see how object spaces can solve the problem. The thing you