Norbert,
We are indeed all just discussing and exploring. On the other hand, Zinc has to
work for real, on many Pharo versions and even on Gemstone.
On 17 Jun 2014, at 17:09, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Otherwise there will be three half baked approaches, one in zinc, one in GT*
I had troubles myself seeing how this can contribute to SystemLogger.
It looks a lot like „I don’t like yours here is mine“. But if you
remember that is the same reason why you've started SystemLogger.
no I started SystemLogger because
- it should log objects
- it should be the
On 17 Jun 2014, at 16:37, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
I do not understand why log should be announcement.
Especially since log: is in Object in SystemLogger.
Being an Announcement is not a requirement to me, it is a delivery mechanism.
Log event objects should be anything, as defined by
Stef,
Am 17.06.2014 um 16:37 schrieb stepharo steph...@free.fr:
I do not understand why log should be announcement.
Especially since log: is in Object in SystemLogger.
But I will not talk about this topic anymore because I felt insulted.
Doru like do not expect that people wants to join
Am 17.06.2014 um 17:02 schrieb Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu:
On 17 Jun 2014, at 16:37, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
I do not understand why log should be announcement.
Especially since log: is in Object in SystemLogger.
Being an Announcement is not a requirement to me, it is
Hi Stef,
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:37 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
I do not understand why log should be announcement.
Especially since log: is in Object in SystemLogger.
The Log class is a carrier for the message object. The Log class is
essentially doing the same thing Announcement
Hi,
I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the
SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically
important area for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At
the same time, I also think that Pharo provides an infrastructure that
makes room
Hi,
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 8:52 AM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the
SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically important
area for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At the same
On 16 Jun 2014, at 08:52, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
Hi,
I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the
SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically important area
for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At the same time, I
Stef,
Am 16.06.2014 um 08:52 schrieb stepharo steph...@free.fr:
Hi,
I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the
SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically important area
for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At the same time, I
On 15 Jun 2014, at 15:04, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
Hi,
I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the
SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically important area
for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At the same time, I
I could not agree more with you
I am very much against One ring to Rule them All , it did not work for
Sauron in Lord of the Rings for the exact reason why its a bad idea to put
all your eggs in one basket. Once it fails in a fundamental level you are
screwed forever.
People reinvent the wheel
@Kilon, you said almost the same thing, how comes that you do not agree with me?
Uko
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:03, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
I could not agree more with you
I am very much against One ring to Rule them All , it did not work for
Sauron in Lord of the Rings for
Ah, no, it’s my fault. Sometimes I implicitly skip the middle of a sentence :).
Uko
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:34, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote:
I could not agree more with you means that I agree with you 100%. Its one
of the strange things of language to use a negative to imply a
Hi Norbert,
Indeed it was not meant as I don’t like yours here is mine.
It was meant as I don’t like yours because ... so here is my concrete
proposal of how to address ...
And the goal is not SystemLogger vs Beacon either. The goal should be the
one cool engine that will ship with Pharo 4.
Am 16.06.2014 um 10:57 schrieb Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com:
And the goal is not SystemLogger vs Beacon either. The goal should be the one
cool engine that will ship with Pharo 4.
Good. That is my only goal.
Norbert
Sure, that is the way we should follow from pharo 4.0 on. Making a modular
system means making dependencies visible. If you compose your system there will
be parts that are closer to the core and parts which are farther away like
applications. The logging is just one thing we need to be closer
sure you guys know pharo better than me , I am sure you will make the right
choice :)
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Sure, that is the way we should follow from pharo 4.0 on. Making a
modular system means making dependencies visible. If you compose
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:53, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
- Like I said in my document and like I tried to show in my implementation
for Zinc, I want framework agnostic pure object logging, so I don't want to
subclass from anything (I do from Announcement, but that is an
Hi Sven,
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu
wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:53, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
- Like I said in my document and like I tried to show in my
implementation for Zinc, I want framework agnostic pure object logging, so
I
Am 16.06.2014 um 12:10 schrieb Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com:
Hi Sven,
On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:54 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
On 16 Jun 2014, at 10:53, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote:
- Like I said in my document and like I tried to show in my
Hi,
I like very much the new energy people are putting into creating the
SystemLogger engine for Pharo. I think this is a specifically important
area for which we have to have a solution out of the box. At the same time,
I also think that Pharo provides an infrastructure that makes room for
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