Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-13 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, On 13 Aug 2014, at 13:42, Tim Mackinnon tim@testit.works wrote: Thanks Esteban, that’s definitely (minor point: you didn’t use the same text I gave you below, so there are some grammatical errors on the site). actually, I did not wrote anything (that was Stef :)… I just fixed the links

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-12 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 11 Aug 2014, at 18:28, Tim Mackinnon tim@testit.works wrote: Bump? The text on http://pharo.org/contribute-propose-fix is still wrong - can someone include the text I fixed up below? fixed Esteban Also - do we want to make pharo.org the primary place for docs (and hence change the

Re: [Pharo-dev] About STON

2014-08-12 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Stef, On 12 Aug 2014, at 07:55, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: sven I was wondering if we could get the following in STON STON acceptNonPresentClasses. STON readFrom: 'Blblbl {#foo : 3} would create a dictionary with class name - #Blblbl Now if the class is loaded we would

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-11 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Bump? The text on http://pharo.org/contribute-propose-fix is still wrong - can someone include the text I fixed up below? Also - do we want to make pharo.org the primary place for docs (and hence change the first paragraph to: #How to propose a bug fix or enhancement First check if your change

[Pharo-dev] About STON

2014-08-11 Thread stepharo
sven I was wondering if we could get the following in STON STON acceptNonPresentClasses. STON readFrom: 'Blblbl {#foo : 3} would create a dictionary with class name - #Blblbl Now if the class is loaded we would get a Blblbl object Christophe has some other ideas such STON

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Yes it's a good video - it helped me a lot. There is one small correction I've meant to add below it - the step for getting write access to the inbox isn't currently needed (but I guess closer to a release that might change). Tim Sent from my iPhone On 7 Aug 2014, at 10:13 pm, stepharo [via

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Stef - I've confused you with my suggestion. Where I wrote use link after the text in [] - I meant put that hyperlink for the [text]. Sorry, I was writing my reply in a text editor and was doing a sort of pseudo markdown syntax. Looking at where this is going - maybe we should instead make

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I’d never heard of notehub before - looks handy. I was initially worried we had yet another copy of documentation to worry about, but I think I’ve understood your intent was to make it easier for Stef to nab your changes. I’ll make a mental note to try it to. Tim On 7 Aug 2014, at 21:11,

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Ok - I’ve fixed my faux-pas and propose the following text (a slight rework of what is published now). Taking a hint from Martin there is a notehub link here (http://notehub.org/2014/8/8/how-to-propose-a-bug-fix-or-enhancement) - although I’ve noticed notehub handles sub-bullets a bit

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I've uploaded the video on my channel as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFomI-7h4qQ ​ Phil

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Yes - it would be better to link to the YouTube version in the text. So how is the Pharo.org site generated? Is this what Pillar is? (Is it a pier wiki?) and could we easily help with editing a subsection of it to help out? Tim Sent from my iPhone On 8 Aug 2014, at 10:52 am,

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
“You know the guy doing the video remove it because it was in rage against us.” That is a real shame - particularly given that the conversation here has been quite constructive in how to improve the situation. Anyway - its a good video, and we can alway record another one if he’s dead against

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread p...@highoctane.be
AFAIK it is a Marina based CMS. http://astares.blogspot.be/2014/04/marina.html Now, I knew how to get in the older system but no info on how to do this in the new one. Phil On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Tim Mackinnon tim@testit.works wrote: Yes - it would be better to link to the

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, We love to have contributions, but for the moment being (to try to keep the design, etc. and prevent too much disorder… which was a problem in the previous site). I would prefer you to send me your contributions (or post it here), and I will upload them to the site. cheers, Esteban

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-08 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I can see how that makes sense for now - we will continue to make suggestions and then over time maybe we can help curate it it becomes too much. Although I am worried that this can create a lot of work - both to report and fix? In the meantime how do you prefer we submit changes, in Markdown

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread stepharo
Okay, so that’s good, but you guys /really/ need to improve the documentation on the mechanical walkthrough of how to actually claim and submit a bug fix. Today, I happened to have some spare time, so I figured, what the hell, why not see if I can’t fix some bugs blocking the Pharo 4

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread stepharo
I added a description on the contribute page http://pharo.org/contribute

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Thats better - I think some overview text on the website and link to the wiki where more people can put finer details works very well. On the http://pharo.org/contribute-propose-fix page - perhaps we could do the same sort of thing too? I’m thinking maybe the following text might be better?

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Before I was contributing to Pharo core much more than now. I have the impression the fogbugz website does not help me. Maybe because I do not find stopper bug anymore. Or maybe because I am focussing entirely to Moose and Roassal. But I prefer the code google Website. Alexandre Le

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread Benjamin Pollack
On Aug 7, 2014, at 9:47 AM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: It’s up to the community to be involved with the tools they love and to submit patches, and you’re totally right to remind everyone that it’s up to us to improve Pharo if we want to keep it alive, but it’s up to the core team to

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread stepharo
thanks tim I took into account your feedback ;) have a look On 7/8/14 18:10, Tim Mackinnon wrote: Thats better - I think some overview text on the website and link to the wiki where more people can put finer details works very well. On the http://pharo.org/contribute-propose-fix page -

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread MartinW
Could you extend http://pharo.org/contribute-propose-fix a bit? And add a screenshot of Slice Maker (I attach one). The following text would have helped me (I paste the markdown. I also posted it on NoteHub for a better reading experience http://www.notehub.org/2014/8/7/how-to-propose-a-bug-fix):

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-07 Thread stepharo
Thanks martin I will have a look tomorrow. Stef On 7/8/14 22:11, MartinW wrote: Could you extend http://pharo.org/contribute-propose-fix a bit? And add a screenshot of Slice Maker (I attach one). The following text would have helped me (I paste the markdown. I also posted it on NoteHub for a

[Pharo-dev] About Smalltalkhub

2014-08-06 Thread Nicolas Petton
Hi guys, I'm just back from 2 weeks offline, and I just saw that SmalltalkHub has some issues. I just restarted everything as packets were dropped, and I'll have a deeper look tomorrow to see why it's behaving that strangely. Cheers, Nico

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Smalltalkhub

2014-08-06 Thread Max Leske
Yay! Nico’s back! :D On 06.08.2014, at 17:38, Nicolas Petton petton.nico...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I'm just back from 2 weeks offline, and I just saw that SmalltalkHub has some issues. I just restarted everything as packets were dropped, and I'll have a deeper look tomorrow to see why

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Smalltalkhub

2014-08-06 Thread stepharo
Thanks nico. Stef On 6/8/14 17:38, Nicolas Petton wrote: Hi guys, I'm just back from 2 weeks offline, and I just saw that SmalltalkHub has some issues. I just restarted everything as packets were dropped, and I'll have a deeper look tomorrow to see why it's behaving that strangely. Cheers,

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-05 Thread p...@highoctane.be
It looks like the older site had more information of these aspects. http://old.pharo-project.org/community/issue-tracking (yes, the video is dead indeed). I had a walk on the various pages and indeed there are a lot of problems for someone to find the way to do things. Why is the video gone ?

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-05 Thread kilon alios
I don't question people contribution to Pharo. I do think however that we need to prioritize documentation. For example Blender development works in a way that a developers adding a feature to Blender main repo (not external code and external libraries) must add documentation to Blender wiki for

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-05 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On 05 Aug 2014, at 11:05, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: I don't question people contribution to Pharo. I do think however that we need to prioritize documentation. For example Blender development works in a way that a developers adding a feature to Blender main repo (not

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-05 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I hate that there is no wiki. And the Squeak wiki is still useful to find out how some things do work internally. Phil On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 11:20 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On 05 Aug 2014, at 11:05, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: I don't question people

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-05 Thread kilon alios
Blender wiki is badly maintained because developers are only forced to document when they add a feature and not when they improve it etc So many of the pages are outdated , pictures are from version years ago and look very diffirent to modern versions of Blender. Its not a wiki problem its a

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-05 Thread kilon alios
by the way here are the blender guidelines if someone wants to take a taste --- http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Code_Style http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/Dev:Doc/Code_Style On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:37 PM, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: Blender wiki is badly maintained

Re: [Pharo-dev] About https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/2489

2014-08-04 Thread stepharo
Thanks this is strange because we used the modified system. I see some problems with MC and changes tracking recently and this is annoying. Because this reference should not be there. Now I do not know how to rollback a change so the system will stay broken until I find and I do not have the

Re: [Pharo-dev] About https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/2489

2014-08-04 Thread stepharo
So apparently if I introduce the missing exception (that we should have removed) the system works. I will try to do a new integration and after we will fix the problem with igor. If I cannot integrate them I will see tomorrow with esteban. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] About https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/2489

2014-08-04 Thread stepharo
Ok so I added the missing exception and we can use the system again but the fix is just a patch. I will try to get some time this week to fix it but this is in character scanner.. stringIndex: anInteger text: aText topLeft: topLeft extent: extent stringIndex := anInteger. text

[Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-04 Thread stepharo
Hi guys I'm sure that most of you did not realize it, but Pharo does not magically improve. It improves because some of us are looking at the tracker issues and looking at the code and improving it. Since Pharo is yours I wonder why you do not take the time to improve. In fact, this is the

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-04 Thread kilon alios
I can tell you why. Because its rarely is simple for people not familiar with Pharo like me. I once tried to help Damien with PharoLauncher. I added the progress bars you get when you download a new image it was simple as pie. Then Damien recommended for me to try to add support to PharoLauncher

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Writing all kinds of documentation, inside and outside the image is a very important and much appreciated contribution. On 04 Aug 2014, at 22:37, kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com wrote: I can tell you why. Because its rarely is simple for people not familiar with Pharo like me. I once

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-04 Thread Nicolai Hess
2014-08-04 22:37 GMT+02:00 kilon alios kilon.al...@gmail.com: I can tell you why. Because its rarely is simple for people not familiar with Pharo like me. I once tried to help Damien with PharoLauncher. I added the progress bars you get when you download a new image it was simple as pie.

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-04 Thread Benjamin Pollack
On Aug 4, 2014, at 3:51 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hi guys I'm sure that most of you did not realize it, but Pharo does not magically improve. It improves because some of us are looking at the tracker issues and looking at the code and improving it. Since Pharo is yours I

Re: [Pharo-dev] About your contributions: Improve Pharo right now, right there.

2014-08-04 Thread Tim Mackinnon
Benjamin - I feel your pain. I went through the same thing - and I did try to help things by updating some of the information on the FogBugz wiki (which I think you found - at least the video). I know I hit a bunch of 404 errors too - which I corrected, but I can see that you hit a few more - so

[Pharo-dev] About https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/2489

2014-08-03 Thread stepharo
Hi guys We finished (we hope) a really long effort to be such that we cannot have negative rectangles. It implied fixing around 250 users of layoutFrame and a lot more. We introduced point:point: to create rectangles. We improved many little points. We deeply tested the image but we never

Re: [Pharo-dev] About https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/2489

2014-08-03 Thread Nicolai Hess
Pharo 40150 after typing two characters in a Workspace: setOrigin:corner: referese to the undefined Object: DegeneratedRectangle UndefinedObject(Object)doesNotUnderstand: #signal CharacterBlock(Rectangle)setOrigin:corner: CharacterBlockstringIndex:text:topLeft:extent:

[Pharo-dev] About deprecating UpdatingMenuMorph

2014-07-25 Thread stepharo
Hi guys I would like to simplify the Menu logic and I would like to remove the UpdatingMenuItemMorph. So far it is only use in Spec with autoRefresh. I really think that if we want to give a chance to Morphic and its future incarnation we should rationalize what we have. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] About deprecating UpdatingMenuMorph

2014-07-25 Thread stepharo
We have some other users (9) addUpdating: action: On 25/7/14 21:55, stepharo wrote: Hi guys I would like to simplify the Menu logic and I would like to remove the UpdatingMenuItemMorph. So far it is only use in Spec with autoRefresh. I really think that if we want to give a chance to

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread stepharo
I found strange to force user to write Before invoking a delegation method, make sure the delegate implements it by sending it a respondsToSelector: message. Cocoa Fundamentals Guide (TP40002974 6.0.0) - (void)someMethod { if ( [delegate

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
(if I understood fine your question): because ObjC uses informal protocols to define delegates, and an informal protocol might or might not be complete (it just define a collection of methods that you might have). is informal because user could want to define just a part of the protocol (in

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
btw… while I think cocoa fundamentals is good reading, it is marked as a retired document. I think the replace doc is this one: https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/general/conceptual/CocoaEncyclopedia/CocoaEncyclopedia.pdf (but since I still do not read it, I don’t know if

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread Mark Bestley
You don't have to write the check it is just defensive programming you can just do -(void)someMethod { if ( [delegate operationShouldProceed] ) { // do something appropriate } } then if the delegate does not have operationShouldProceed you get a selector not found

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread stepharo
Thanks I will have a look. Esteban my point is that it looks like delegates are like strategy but I wonder why all the strategies for a given facet would not have to implement the protocol. To me having isKindOf: respondTo: sucks so when a framework forces it this is even worse. Stef On

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:48 AM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hi In the quest for a better UI framework :), I was re rereading about delegate in Cocoa. A delegating object will delegate certain operations to a delegate object (check the attachment). Now I was wondering why this is not

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread stepharo
I checked and the new doc does not refer to delegate. I will read the target action and others Stef On 16/7/14 11:04, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: btw… while I think cocoa fundamentals is good reading, it is marked as a retired document. I think the replace doc is this one:

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread stepharo
:) I was not even at this level. Many people confuses delegation and forwarding. I remember that I helped removing some errors in books I reviewed. Stef On 16/7/14 20:07, Eliot Miranda wrote: On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:48 AM, stepharo steph...@free.fr mailto:steph...@free.fr wrote:

Re: [Pharo-dev] About Cocoa delegate

2014-07-16 Thread stepharo
tx mark. I know now I found strange that they push that. Now apparently this is not in the new doc. On 16/7/14 16:56, Mark Bestley wrote: You don't have to write the check it is just defensive programming you can just do -(void)someMethod { if ( [delegate operationShouldProceed] )

Re: [Pharo-dev] About the *-Settings packages

2014-07-09 Thread stepharo
Marcus you should not stress about extra packages. Because we will have deadcode if you unload the setting core and the settings methods are in the same package. I think that they are more problem with fonts for example and it would be better to focus on them. did you read these:

Re: [Pharo-dev] About the *-Settings packages

2014-07-09 Thread Marcus Denker
On 09 Jul 2014, at 21:05, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Marcus you should not stress about extra packages. Because we will have deadcode if you unload the setting core and the settings methods are in the same package. Yes, one method with 5 lines of code. Nobody *ever* unloaded a setting

[Pharo-dev] About the *-Settings packages

2014-07-08 Thread Marcus Denker
Hi, The Settings framework is very nice: there are no dependencies to the framework itself anywhere, so you can run with both the Setting Browser and *the framework itself* unloaded. All the settings definitions are in their own packages, so you can even unload *those*. But I wonder if that is

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-29 Thread Ben Coman
Yuriy Tymchuk wrote: I think that while working with float arithmetic it will be nice to provide something like #~= instead of #closeTo:, and also add #~, #~= and so on. But maybe I’m wrong :) I don't think you'd be able to repurpose #~= to a different meaning.  That way lies madness. 

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-27 Thread Andres Valloud
Sp, speaking of mathematical precedence and all that, anyone up to looking at the IEEE-754 spec and making one's Smalltalk of choice comply with _all_ the requirements? Or how about implementing decimal floats? On 6/26/14 12:01 , p...@highoctane.be wrote: Couldn't we just have an expression

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-27 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 26/06/2014 18:11, Richard Sargent a écrit : Esteban A. Maringolo wrote If one thing confuses people in that realm is non arithmetic precedence: Eg. 2 + 3 * 4 = 20 instead of the expected 14. And we're not going to change that either. It's not worthy, and I doubt if it is possible at all.

[Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Christophe Demarey
Hi, I would like to make a suggestion that may lead to a long debate but let's go: What do you think about deprecating ~= and replace it with != for example? Why? In mathematics the symbol ~ is used for equivalence. To me (and I think any newcomer to Smalltalk) the first guess of the meaning of

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Max Leske
On 26.06.2014, at 10:15, Christophe Demarey christophe.dema...@inria.fr wrote: Hi, I would like to make a suggestion that may lead to a long debate but let's go: What do you think about deprecating ~= and replace it with != for example? Why? In mathematics the symbol ~ is used for

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
For me ~ looks more like closeTo: Uko On 26 Jun 2014, at 10:15, Christophe Demarey christophe.dema...@inria.fr wrote: Hi, I would like to make a suggestion that may lead to a long debate but let's go: What do you think about deprecating ~= and replace it with != for example? Why? In

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Damien Cassou
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:29 AM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: For me ~ looks more like closeTo: so you also agree then -- Damien Cassou http://damiencassou.seasidehosting.st Success is the ability to go from one failure to another without losing enthusiasm. Winston Churchill

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Nicolas Cellier
$! is not classified as a binary character right now, is it? Of course it's possible but I'd just say why this particular symbol? It does not look mathematical either. Or do you love C/C++ so much? Note that ~= has same meaning in Matlab. There are other possibilities like /= or (Fortran 95,

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Christophe Demarey
Le 26 juin 2014 à 12:46, Nicolas Cellier a écrit : $! is not classified as a binary character right now, is it? Of course it's possible but I'd just say why this particular symbol? It does not look mathematical either. Or do you love C/C++ so much? Of course not. It is just because it is

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
I think that while working with float arithmetic it will be nice to provide something like #~= instead of #closeTo:, and also add #~, #~= and so on. But maybe I’m wrong :) Uko On 26 Jun 2014, at 13:07, Christophe Demarey christophe.dema...@inria.fr wrote: Le 26 juin 2014 à 12:46, Nicolas

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2014-06-26 13:17 GMT+02:00 Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com: I think that while working with float arithmetic it will be nice to provide something like #~= instead of #closeTo:, and also add #~, #~= and so on. But maybe I’m wrong :) Uko Yes, it's wrong because there is no such thing as a

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
On 26 Jun 2014, at 13:27, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: -1 for replacing ~= with != because it is not better at all +1 for avoiding it altogether like you suggest -1 for changing ~= to mean #closeTo: I like the longer name Yes, but this way we can end up with the names like:

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Clément Bera
Can the parser parse != ? Can the parser parse ! ? Both for Opal and the old Compiler ? Clement 2014-06-26 13:56 GMT+02:00 Christophe Demarey christophe.dema...@inria.fr: != does not look a good name according to first feedbacks. A long version could simply be notEquals: For a short

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-06-26 8:27 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu: -1 for replacing ~= with != because it is not better at all +1 for avoiding it altogether like you suggest -1 for changing ~= to mean #closeTo: I like the longer name I adhere to keep the status quo. If one thing confuses people in

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Richard Sargent
Esteban A. Maringolo wrote If one thing confuses people in that realm is non arithmetic precedence: Eg. 2 + 3 * 4 = 20 instead of the expected 14. And we're not going to change that either. It's not worthy, and I doubt if it is possible at all. I'm probably late to the party with this

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 26.06.2014 um 12:46 schrieb Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com: $! is not classified as a binary character right now, is it? Of course it's possible but I'd just say why this particular symbol? It does not look mathematical either. Or do you love C/C++ so much? Note

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread kilon alios
lol :D On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote: Am 26.06.2014 um 12:46 schrieb Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com: $! is not classified as a binary character right now, is it? Of course it's possible but I'd just say why this particular

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
2014-06-26 13:11 GMT-03:00 Richard Sargent richard.sarg...@gemtalksystems.com: Esteban A. Maringolo wrote If one thing confuses people in that realm is non arithmetic precedence: Eg. 2 + 3 * 4 = 20 instead of the expected 14. And we're not going to change that either. It's not worthy, and I

Re: [Pharo-dev] about ~=

2014-06-26 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Couldn't we just have an expression evaluator done with PetitParser doing these things? Tcl and Bash have this expr: thing. (Expression parse: '5+3*2') value. (Expression parse: ':a | 5+:a*2') value:10. (Expression parse: ':a | 5+:a*2') value:self x. With the thesis of Lukas Renggli these was

[Pharo-dev] About Spec second interpretation loop between Adapter and specific back end

2014-05-08 Thread stepharo
Hi Ben When igor integrated his textEditor with Spec we saw that the relation between a model and its adapter is not direct but via another interpretation. For example MorphicButtonAdapter class defaultSpec ^ {#PluggableButtonMorph. #color:. Color white.

[Pharo-dev] About fonts

2014-05-01 Thread stepharo
Hi pharoers I found the problems with the fonts and now I understand one of the possible way Roassal got broken. Imagine the following FT is on - roassal works perfectly (using vectorial fonts) the standard fonts (default, code and others) are using vector graphics font. I

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2014-04-22 6:30 GMT+02:00 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com: One question is why do still have the disable free type fonts option? This was useful when free type was still in development, but I think now it is no longer useful. Or are there still use cases for it? Doru At the risk of

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, I think my message generated a misunderstanding. I am not arguing for dropping of bitmap fonts at all. I am only arguing for removing the option of not having freetype. People on slow devices will still be able to use the bitmap fonts. Is that wrong? Cheers, Doru On Tue, Apr 22, 2014 at

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread Sergi Reyner
2014-04-22 8:21 GMT+01:00 Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com: I am not arguing for dropping of bitmap fonts at all. I am only arguing for removing the option of not having freetype. People on slow devices will still be able to use the bitmap fonts. Is that wrong? Well, look at it this way:

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread Tudor Girba
I do not see what this has to do with anything. Right now we are offering the possibility to not be able to load FreeType fonts and this leads to buggy behavior when the user starts playing with that toggle. I fail to see why we need the option in the first place. All I am saying is that we

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread stepharo
Hi nicolas I agree with you :). My goal is not to drop strike fonts because I think that the code is working and it can be useful for some people. I just want to make sure that StandardFonts (TextStyle and others...) does not mess up FreeType and StrikeFonts. We got a lot of problems with

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread stepharo
On 22/4/14 14:19, Tudor Girba wrote: I do not see what this has to do with anything. Right now we are offering the possibility to not be able to load FreeType fonts and this leads to buggy behavior when the user starts playing with that toggle. In fact this is buggy even without that. The

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread Tudor Girba
Why is this buggy? Right now, the meaning of the checkbox is to allow the user to have FT in addition to bitmap fonts. That is why I say we should just drop the checkbox altogether and we have solved a source of problems. We can rethink the infrastructure for Pharo 4. Doru On Tue, Apr 22, 2014

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-22 Thread Nicolas Cellier
2014-04-22 21:30 GMT+02:00 stepharo steph...@free.fr: On 22/4/14 14:19, Tudor Girba wrote: I do not see what this has to do with anything. Right now we are offering the possibility to not be able to load FreeType fonts and this leads to buggy behavior when the user starts playing with

[Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-21 Thread stepharo
Hi when freetype is on do you think that it makes sense to have strikeFont proposed as default fonts? Like it is done right now, I get bitmapVera even if I want to see FreeType fonts. Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-21 Thread Alexandre Bergel
It does not make sense. We should have nice font all the time. Thanks RMoD for taking care of this _crucial_ aspect of the system Alexandre On Apr 21, 2014, at 2:32 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hi when freetype is on do you think that it makes sense to have strikeFont proposed as

Re: [Pharo-dev] About fonts (again)

2014-04-21 Thread Tudor Girba
One question is why do still have the disable free type fonts option? This was useful when free type was still in development, but I think now it is no longer useful. Or are there still use cases for it? Doru On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:32 PM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hi when

[Pharo-dev] About fonts

2014-04-18 Thread stepharo
Hi pharoers I found the problems with the fonts and now I understand one of the possible way Roassal got broken. Imagine the following FT is on - roassal works perfectly (using vectorial fonts) the standard fonts (default, code and others) are using vector graphics font. I

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-11 Thread Tudor Girba
Thank you. In this case yes, it blurs the line between an SQL Editor and the inspector. And between a table and an Excel code editor. But, here is another blurred line between the file browser and the inspector: http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/browsing-files-with-gtinspector-video/ The

Re: [Pharo-dev] About a Spec dedicated mailing-list

2014-03-11 Thread Torsten Bergmann
+1 Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. März 2014 um 03:46 Uhr Von: Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com An: Pharo Development List pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] About a Spec dedicated mailing-list + 1 Le 10-03-2014 à 16:48, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu a écrit

Re: [Pharo-dev] About a Spec dedicated mailing-list

2014-03-11 Thread Nicolai Hess
components. +1 (for svens comment). 2014-03-11 9:02 GMT+01:00 Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de: +1 Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. März 2014 um 03:46 Uhr Von: Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com An: Pharo Development List pharo-dev@lists.pharo.org Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] About a Spec

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-11 Thread Guillermo Polito
Doru, for the DBXTalk inspector, maybe it is useful for you this package: http://www.smalltalkhub.com/#!/~DBXTalk/DBXDatabaseModel/ That allows to retrieve database schema metadata in a polymorphic way :) On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 7:43 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Thank you.

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-11 Thread Tudor Girba
Thanks. I was looking for something like that! I will check it and get back to you. Doru On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com wrote: Doru, for the DBXTalk inspector, maybe it is useful for you this package:

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-11 Thread Juan
Tudor Thanks for amazing work, just report a trouble , i follow the http://www.humane-assessment.com/blog/dynamic-exploration-of-a-postgres-db-with-the-gtinspector/ Instructions and trying with one postgres database, one table with date fields fire problem's SqNumberParser class is missing in

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-11 Thread Juan
Tudor what steps I need to follow to load the file-exploration example of video ? any ConfigurationOfxx . package, monticello repository etc... best jmdc On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Juan smalltalker.marc...@gmail.com wrote: Tudor Thanks for amazing work, just report a trouble , i

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-11 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Juan, Just download the latest Moose image and you can explore the file system. Cheers, Doru On Tue, Mar 11, 2014 at 6:17 PM, Juan smalltalker.marc...@gmail.com wrote: Tudor what steps I need to follow to load the file-exploration example of video ? any ConfigurationOfxx . package,

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-10 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Yes! Yesterday evening I watched the Wolfram video. I think we can produce Pharo-based video as impressive as what this strange guy did. Alexandre On Mar 10, 2014, at 2:34 AM, Tudor Girba tu...@tudorgirba.com wrote: Hi Alex, On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 1:26 AM, Alexandre Bergel

Re: [Pharo-dev] About inspectors

2014-03-10 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Alex, On 10 Mar 2014, at 13:54, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Yesterday evening I watched the Wolfram video. I think we can produce Pharo-based video as impressive as what this strange guy did. Please do ! Visualization and marketing is important indeed. Sven

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