Re: [Pharo-dev] Feature request poll

2013-11-06 Thread Goubier Thierry
Don't even need to follow the link to guess where that comes from :):):) The text transcription: http://www.epicure.demon.co.uk/whattheromans.html Thierry Le 06/11/2013 01:28, Paul DeBruicker a écrit : For whomever wonders what what have the romans ever done for us is about watch:

Re: [Pharo-dev] No decompile string at all, bad idea?

2013-11-06 Thread Max Leske
On 06.11.2013, at 08:57, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On 06 Nov 2013, at 08:53, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: On 06.11.2013, at 08:05, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On 05 Nov 2013, at 20:37, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote:

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2013-11-06 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/20626 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 8494bd: 20626

2013-11-06 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/2.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 8494bd332d81ef76db9658c071e7628f109c51b1 https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/8494bd332d81ef76db9658c071e7628f109c51b1 Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org Date:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Nov 2013, at 17:12, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Hi Henrik, Great writeup, thanks ! (more inline) On 04 Nov 2013, at 11:58, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: On 04 Nov 2013, at 9:57 , Diego Lont diego.l...@delware.nl wrote: Working on Petit

Re: [Pharo-dev] Bug? AdditionalMethodState suddenly stores Associations

2013-11-06 Thread Max Leske
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12077/MNU-in-AdditionalMethodState-analogousCodeTo On 06.11.2013, at 08:53, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Marcus. I’ll open a bug report. On 06.11.2013, at 08:14, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On 05 Nov 2013, at 19:48, Max

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Nov 2013, at 22:25, Henrik Sperre Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: That's great! Remembering that commit message was part of the reason for benching, was sort of disappointed there was no significant difference between Zn in 2.0 and latest 3.0... I guess with the

Re: [Pharo-dev] NBOpenGL VM crash.

2013-11-06 Thread Igor Stasenko
According to dump, it crashes during call to: 0x21d8c8 I NBWndClassEx classunregister:instance: 0x10f7e7cc: a(n) NBWndClassEx class the reason could be that you passing wrong handle which not exists (or was existed in previous image session but invalid now). Not much else i can say without

[Pharo-dev] HDTestReport improvements: please integrate

2013-11-06 Thread Max Leske
I’ve made a few minor improvements to HDTestReport with the following effects: - progress log will now print end of suite and the stream will be properly closed - progress log will print the start of the case *before* the case starts (at the moment that happens after the case has run. The

Re: [Pharo-dev] TextAttribute, TextAction and TextDoIt or TextURL: not working

2013-11-06 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 5 November 2013 22:56, p...@highoctane.be p...@highoctane.be wrote: ,Ohhh I guess I'll restart work on that old 1.3-based project of mine :-) Well, well,this opens a lot of doors! (including doc comments with links inside them for clickable cross refs, like we had in squeak)

Re: [Pharo-dev] TextAttribute, TextAction and TextDoIt or TextURL: not working

2013-11-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Aaaah ;-) Hypertext abilities: a must have, especially since we'll have that super AST-style source code thingy in Pharo4. --- Philippe Back Dramatic Performance Improvements Mob: +32(0) 478 650 140 | Fax: +32 (0) 70 408 027 Mail:p...@highoctane.be | Web: http://philippeback.eu Blog:

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core]

2013-11-06 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/tags/30549 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core

[Pharo-dev] [pharo-project/pharo-core] 3b10b0: 30549

2013-11-06 Thread GitHub
Branch: refs/heads/3.0 Home: https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core Commit: 3b10b06606dd5f379fca80406f4efa225df8ad8d https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo-core/commit/3b10b06606dd5f379fca80406f4efa225df8ad8d Author: Jenkins Build Server bo...@pharo-project.org Date:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Feature request poll

2013-11-06 Thread Janko Mivšek
Hi Kilon, Dne 06. 11. 2013 12:00, piše kilon alios: I can only speak on behalf of newcomers as I am a newcomer myself, that I dont care if Pharo is smalltalk, a dialect, a byproduct , a hybrid, alien technology. But you found Pharo because you were firstly interested in Smalltalk? If Pharo

[Pharo-dev] [Edu] 3-day project with high school students

2013-11-06 Thread roberto.mine...@usi.ch
Hi, I would like to hear an opinion from you. I need to organize a 3-day project with high-school students. In short they will come to our University and I am the responsible to guide them to do “something” to introduce them to programming. The assumption is that they have zero background

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deep Into Pharo: PPExpressionParser

2013-11-06 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Thanks! I'm clear on how to use them, just not on why to choose one over the other... - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/Deep-Into-Pharo-PPExpressionParser-tp4719454p4719556.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk Developers mailing list archive at

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Edu] 3-day project with high school students

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Hi, I would like to hear an opinion from you. I need to organize a 3-day project with high-school students. In short they will come to our University and I am the responsible to guide them to do “something” to introduce them to

[Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Torsten Bergmann
In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug? Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the Groups button. Is this just a layout problem or will the Groups button be obsolete anyway (see above)?

Re: [Pharo-dev] Github and Pharo

2013-11-06 Thread Goubier Thierry
Well, if you are on Pharo3, you can get it with the latest MonticelloFileTree-Git: Gofer new url:'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/ThierryGoubier/Alt30/main'; package: 'MonticelloFileTree-Git'; load (or, on the command line, pharo Pharo.image eval --save \ Gofer new \

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows packages and groups in the same pane. Is this in general intended for the future or a bug? feature :) Also the Hierarchy button is layered above the Groups

Re: [Pharo-dev] Feature request poll

2013-11-06 Thread kilon alios
Nope quite the contrary. I came to pharo because I was interested in emacs. I am doing coding for fun for 23 years now, I have used and messed around with most popular languages out there and in that time I never heard of Smalltalk nor I heard people mention it apart from a year or so ago someone

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Benjamin
I personally do not like this feature, but I have been told to get it a try :) Ben On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46 AM, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: In recent 3.0 Pharo images the Nautlilus browser shows

Re: [Pharo-dev] No decompile string at all, bad idea?

2013-11-06 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.frwrote: On 06 Nov 2013, at 08:53, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: On 06.11.2013, at 08:05, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote: On 05 Nov 2013, at 20:37, Mariano Martinez Peck marianop...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 04 Nov 2013, at 5:12 , Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Well, I just realised that ZnCharacterReadStream and ZnCharacterWriteStream did not yet make use of the optimisations that I did for ZnCharacterEncoding some time ago. More specifically, they were not yet using

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deep Into Pharo: PPExpressionParser

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 5, 2013, at 10:11 PM, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote: After reading the PetitParser chapter, I'm not clear when one would subclass PPCompositeParser vs. using PPExpressionParser. What are the tradeoffs / use cases? Also, can the book be improved or is that the final

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I think that we could also add such metadata in MCZ files and it would be great. This is an excellent topics for an intern. Stef On Nov 6, 2013, at 1:20 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Now that we have epicea I would really love to have a tool that does not show me

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 06/11/2013 13:20, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : Now that we have epicea I would really love to have a tool that does not show me stupidly a diff but take into account the actions that have been performed like rename class, split…. Yes! I want that too! How do we try EPICEA? Is it already

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Henrik Johansen
On 06 Nov 2013, at 10:38 , Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: BTW, do we still need UTF16 support ? For those encodings that we still want to support in the future, we should have new and more principled implementations under ZnCharacterEncoder. That is, if we ever want to fase out

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Nov 6, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 06/11/2013 13:20, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : Now that we have epicea I would really love to have a tool that does not show me stupidly a diff but take into account the actions that have been performed like

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi henrik why don't you give a try to change our lives and propose a new MultuByteFileStream and friends :) Stef That's great! Remembering that commit message was part of the reason for benching, was sort of disappointed there was no significant difference between Zn in 2.0 and latest

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
BTW, do we still need UTF16 support ? For those encodings that we still want to support in the future, we should have new and more principled implementations under ZnCharacterEncoder. That is, if we ever want to fase out TextConverter. :) You know what I think. Kill all the rotten

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 06/11/2013 13:39, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : On Nov 6, 2013, at 1:38 PM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 06/11/2013 13:20, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : Now that we have epicea I would really love to have a tool that does not show me stupidly a diff but take into

Re: [Pharo-dev] HDTestReport improvements: please integrate

2013-11-06 Thread Camillo Bruni
could you open an issue on fogbugz and propose a slice? On 2013-11-06, at 11:17, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote: I’ve made a few minor improvements to HDTestReport with the following effects: - progress log will now print end of suite and the stream will be properly closed - progress

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Camillo Bruni
that would be called XStreams, no? On 2013-11-06, at 13:43, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Hi henrik why don't you give a try to change our lives and propose a new MultuByteFileStream and friends :) Stef That's great! Remembering that commit message was part of

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 06 Nov 2013, at 13:20, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: On 04 Nov 2013, at 5:12 , Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: Well, I just realised that ZnCharacterReadStream and ZnCharacterWriteStream did not yet make use of the optimisations that I did for

Re: [Pharo-dev] Peek

2013-11-06 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 06 Nov 2013, at 13:29, Henrik Johansen henrik.s.johan...@veloxit.no wrote: On 06 Nov 2013, at 10:38 , Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote: BTW, do we still need UTF16 support ? For those encodings that we still want to support in the future, we should have new and more

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
In the Git world, I'll focus simply on a file format able to store that knowledge, in a way which minimises git-induced conflicts... The goal being that a git merge would recreate a working Smalltalk result (no conflicts) with a correct EPICEA history (eventually recreated from the git

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-11-06, at 13:38, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 06/11/2013 13:20, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : Now that we have epicea I would really love to have a tool that does not show me stupidly a diff but take into account the actions that have been performed like rename

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 06/11/2013 14:01, Camillo Bruni a écrit : On 2013-11-06, at 13:38, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote: Le 06/11/2013 13:20, Stéphane Ducasse a écrit : Now that we have epicea I would really love to have a tool that does not show me stupidly a diff but take into account the

[Pharo-dev] extracting a pier book into pillar files

2013-11-06 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Is there existing support to extract an existing Pier-based book into Pillar files? I would be interested in moving the Moose book to this format. Cheers, Doru -- www.tudorgirba.com Every thing has its own flow

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Give me the groups back. I hate that tree. Positively. On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, Benjamin wrote: I personally do not like this feature, but I have been told to get it a try :) Ben On 06 Nov 2013, at 12:51, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 8:46

Re: [Pharo-dev] Support understanding changes

2013-11-06 Thread Goubier Thierry
Le 06/11/2013 14:33, Camillo Bruni a écrit : Indeed, some meta data is needed, although I think much of it can be properly inferred if the commits have sufficient resolution. As a side note, git for instance does not track renames:

Re: [Pharo-dev] HDTestReport improvements: please integrate

2013-11-06 Thread Max Leske
https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/12079/HDTestReport-improvements Slice: Name: SLICE-Issue-12079-HDTestReport-improvements-MaxLeske.1 Author: MaxLeske Time: 6 November 2013, 2:07:20.708816 pm UUID: 16baecc6-cbfc-4309-a6fc-908bc542e68c Ancestors: Dependencies: HudsonBuildTools20-MaxLeske.52 *

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Torsten Bergmann
is not on top, groups are removed (since now they are on top, no need for a button).    But thats what I mean - the Groups button is still there. Directly behind the Hierarchy button (but visible by a few pixels on the left). Just have a look (see attachement). Use the morphic halos to move the

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Edu] 3-day project with high school students

2013-11-06 Thread Max Leske
PhaROS might be interesting: controlling robots with Pharo. On 06.11.2013, at 12:37, roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Hi, I would like to hear an opinion from you. I need to organize a 3-day project with high-school students. In short they will come to our University and I am the

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Edu] 3-day project with high school students

2013-11-06 Thread btc
roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Hi, I would like to hear an opinion from you. I need to organize a 3-day project with high-school students. In short they will come to our University and I am the responsible to guide them to do “something” to introduce them to programming. The assumption is

[Pharo-dev] [OT] Booting on top of JS in webbrowser

2013-11-06 Thread Torsten Bergmann
While in the past we had OS-platforms where Smalltalk provided VM solutions. Then there was/is .NET and Java as platform. Nowedays the browser becomes the next platform with bootable stuff directly on top of JavaScript. http://bellard.org/jslinux/ http://copy.sh/v24/ (Try to boot visual

Re: [Pharo-dev] [OT] Booting on top of JS in webbrowser

2013-11-06 Thread Frank Shearar
On 6 November 2013 15:25, Torsten Bergmann asta...@gmx.de wrote: While in the past we had OS-platforms where Smalltalk provided VM solutions. Then there was/is .NET and Java as platform. Nowedays the browser becomes the next platform with bootable stuff directly on top of JavaScript.

[Pharo-dev] Scroll bug since ever. Someone?

2013-11-06 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
Hi guys. We have a bug with the scrolling since I can remember You know...when you scroll down fast, at some point it restarts the scroll in a higher position, making it impossible to really scroll down. If you scroll down slower, it works. I guess I am not the only one seeing this problem

Re: [Pharo-dev] Scroll bug since ever. Someone?

2013-11-06 Thread Camillo Bruni
that happens only on the trackpad if you scroll diagonally ;) Or well, when you scroll vertically and you are not fully vertical, from time to time you get a horizontal scroll even from the VM which arrives as a keypressed at VM side. Usually some ctrl+shift+arrow combo, which makes your list

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
if it is there, someone re-added it (because I removed it). anyway, just to be clear: 1) the three is not going to go... is there to stay. We can (and should) improve it, but we are not going to remove it. 2) what we can do is to re-add the groups button and a preference to join or not-join

Re: [Pharo-dev] NBOpenGL VM crash.

2013-11-06 Thread Ronie Salgado
I placed an image in my dropbox which reproduces the problem: https://www.dropbox.com/s/7bfdpu4eqrmb7vt/crash-NBOpenGL.zip Greetings, Ronie Salgado 2013/11/6 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com According to dump, it crashes during call to: 0x21d8c8 I NBWndClassEx classunregister:instance:

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deep Into Pharo: PPExpressionParser

2013-11-06 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Hi Sean, In PetitDelphi, we defined a few convenience methods like plusFor:separatedByToken: that you might find useful. Stephan

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Torsten Bergmann
Esteban wrote: if it is there, someone re-added it (because I removed it).  In newest Pharo3.0 Latest update: #30549 there is AbstractNautilusUIbuildFirstColumn: PackageTreeNautilusUIbuildFirstColumn: both add the Group button and both have your name in the method version. All the other

Re: [Pharo-dev] Nautilus groups in 3.0

2013-11-06 Thread Benjamin
I think e should remove NautilusUI since it’s now useless and not working and merge it with the TreeNautilusThingy. It’s quite disturbing to have something there almost working but nope :( And we should iterate a lot over it since a lot of usability has been lost in there… For me, it was to

Re: [Pharo-dev] Deep Into Pharo: PPExpressionParser

2013-11-06 Thread Norbert Hartl
Am 06.11.2013 um 17:32 schrieb Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl: Hi Sean, In PetitDelphi, we defined a few convenience methods like plusFor:separatedByToken: that you might find useful. You may have a look at PParser#delimitedBy: Norbert

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Edu] 3-day project with high school students

2013-11-06 Thread p...@highoctane.be
Guille's LOOP? On Wednesday, November 6, 2013, wrote: roberto.mine...@usi.ch wrote: Hi, I would like to hear an opinion from you. I need to organize a 3-day project with high-school students. In short they will come to our University and I am the responsible to guide them to do

[Pharo-dev] Checking RB rules? manifest browser?

2013-11-06 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi! We have some rules we would like to check against our code (Amber slime rules). How can we do that? Do we need the manifest browser? How to load it? I searched for manifest in smalltalkhub and I got no result. Help appreciated. Cheers, Alexandre --

Re: [Pharo-dev] Checking RB rules? manifest browser?

2013-11-06 Thread Benjamin
There is the critic browser within the image, but I do not know if you can use your own rules Ben On 06 Nov 2013, at 22:43, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Hi! We have some rules we would like to check against our code (Amber slime rules). How can we do that? Do we need