Le 5/2/15 10:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
On 05 Feb 2015, at 10:36, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote:
I personally would prefer to be able to use exponents. No sure what the big
picture is.
cheers -ben
Of course exponents are still supported ;-)
The discussion is about the +
Hi steven
I have a largish project (Siren) that I have developed in ST80/VisualWorks
(since 1984) and ported to Squeak in the past.
I'm allows looking for a cleaner free ST80 implementation to host the
project.
Good. I would love to see Siren in Pharo and I'm ready to help.
Looking at Pharo,
On 06 Feb 2015, at 09:02, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote:
Le 5/2/15 10:40, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
On 05 Feb 2015, at 10:36, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com wrote:
I personally would prefer to be able to use exponents. No sure what the
big picture is.
cheers -ben
Of course
Le 5/2/15 11:57, Markus Fritsche a écrit :
On Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:45:53 +0100
Serge Stinckwich serge.stinckw...@gmail.com wrote:
- Glamour :
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo-contribution/view/Books/job/DeepIntoPharo/lastSuccessfulBuild/artifact/tmp/Glamour.pdf
- Zinc :
On 05 Feb 2015, at 21:34, Max Leske maxle...@gmail.com wrote:
On 05 Feb 2015, at 17:46, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Alejandro,
On 06 Feb 2015, at 15:10, Alejandro Infante alejandroinfant...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
I have just found that calling
2015-02-06 1:40 GMT+01:00 Juraj Kubelka juraj.kube...@gmail.com:
Well, then I cannot see packages that are not included in the version 2.7.
Can you mention some? I will try to make a new version.
I want to include the latest versions of
Athens-Cairo: Athens-Cairo-NicolaiHess.82
and
2015-02-06 16:18 GMT+01:00 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr:
On 06 Feb 2015, at 11:45, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote:
We have merged the parsers into one, because we had 3 parsers that
didn’t have any dedicated use-cases, juts were developed historical as at
some point
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Le 5/2/15 22:47, Eliot Miranda a écrit :
Yes, but that's because of historical accident and the difficulty of
keeping docs up to date. Perhaps Pharo By Example can fix this?
Yes we should. My writing todo is a bit huge :)
I have changed two methods of the configuration:
-=-=-
stable: spec
symbolicVersion: #stable
spec for: #'pharo2.x' version: '2.1'.
after some modification in NB made it incompatible with 3.0
spec for: #'pharo3.x' version: '2.3'.
spec for: #'pharo4.x'
Really interesting discussion. I like pragmas but this is interesting to
see them challenged.
Yes, but there end up being lots of naming conventions and they are
non-obvious. Whereas pragmas, because they are in-your-face in the
methods in question, don't need conventions. They just need
Le 6/2/15 19:15, Thierry Goubier a écrit :
The good old finder has a pragmas search mode which allows for a bit
of discoverability (pragma users), but it doesn't link to the code
exploiting the pragmas.
Do you know if we have something specific on SmartSuggestions for pragmas?
point taken.
Am 06.02.15 12:43, schrieb Sean P. DeNigris:
Markus Fritsche-4 wrote
+1 to that one.
Yes, I also find it difficult - much more so when I was new to the
community, but even still a bit now. Coral, Zinc, Seaside, Opal - may be
catchy, but when I'm browsing the system, I just want to see where
I would love to see an editor, which works on the AST directly - aka
it maps the source code to AST nodes, and just updates the smallest
possible subtree at each keystroke. Implementing such editor has it's
challenges ofc, like typing a single character can invalidate the
whole code, but the
Le 6/2/15 16:31, Sven Van Caekenberghe a écrit :
Yes, but that is not really provided as a #catalog* method, is it ?
There is #catalogDescription, but that is some lines of text.
There should be something like #catalogLabel for a sjort one-line title style
label.
if configuration would be
Would it be possible/desirable to have a system such that:
* bug fixes for external packages can be still be directly applied and
tested in the Pharo-integrated branch
* the CI workflow generates an updated ConfigurationOf{external
package} that it pushes back to the external package
I would have like to know when I wrote the chapter in deepinto pharo
about 2 complement...
Stef
(These kinds of questions should be asked on pharo-us...@lists.pharo.org)
You can only represent positive numbers as ByteArrays, because to represent
negative numbers you have to decide how to do
I want relationships for certain modeling purposes
What I like is that we should arrive to get a collection of useful slots
with optimal implementation instead all of us reinventing the wheel.
Stef
Le 6/2/15 18:15, Marcus Denker a écrit :
On 06 Feb 2015, at 11:50, Marcus Denker
2015-02-06 18:29 GMT+01:00 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit differently, thanks to your
explanations.
I see pragmas used mainly for two things:
2015-02-06 18:41 GMT+01:00 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com:
Or are you talking about the lack of class pragmas? This is a point. But
classes already have an executable hook they can use for system
modification, their class-side initialize and obsolete methods. That's
been used for a
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-02-06 18:29 GMT+01:00 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com:
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit
Markus Fritsche-4 wrote
+1 to that one.
Yes, I also find it difficult - much more so when I was new to the
community, but even still a bit now. Coral, Zinc, Seaside, Opal - may be
catchy, but when I'm browsing the system, I just want to see where the darn
WebClient is, not mine for minerals or
+1
STef
Le 5/2/15 21:34, Max Leske a écrit :
On 05 Feb 2015, at 17:46, Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com
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On 06.02.2015 09:33, stepharo wrote:
In the coming months we will work on putting in place our
bootstrapping kernel.
There are no Smalltalk able to do that right now.
GNU Smalltalk does just that, if it doesn't find an image, it will be
bootstrapped by using the shipped .st fileouts.
A bit
On 5 February 2015 at 21:20, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-02-05 21:28 GMT+01:00 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Thierry Goubier
thierry.goub...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-02-05 18:51 GMT+01:00 Eliot Miranda
We have merged the parsers into one, because we had 3 parsers that didn’t have
any dedicated use-cases, juts were developed historical as at some point
someone needed a bit more functionality, and then different parsers were used
randomly on the system. As for the expression - yes we have to
On 06.02.2015 10:52, Guillermo Polito wrote:
Well, but imagine how complex that bootstrap becomes when you want to
add to your classes:
- traits
- layouts
- slots
...
And expressing all that in C also :)
I don't want to imply it's easy.
I once tried to decompose a squeak image,
Hi Frank,
so, which definition of pragmas I should follow? Declarative or executable?
From what you describe, I'm against it, they are just annotations (a way to
convey programmer intention because the code itself is unable to do so).
I introduce annotations in a programming language when I
Looking at Pharo, it appears to me to be suffering the same bloat issues as
Squeak.
Well if you say that it is that you are just looking at the tip of iceberg.
This is not for fun that we are massively working on cleaning dependencies
and removing
wrong code or rewriting it. In the
Well, but imagine how complex that bootstrap becomes when you want to add
to your classes:
- traits
- layouts
- slots
...
And expressing all that in C also :)
El Fri Feb 06 2015 at 10:47:19 AM, Markus Fritsche mfrits...@reauktion.de
escribió:
On 06.02.2015 09:33, stepharo wrote:
In the
On Fri, 2015-02-06 at 10:47 +0100, Markus Fritsche wrote:
On 06.02.2015 09:33, stepharo wrote:
In the coming months we will work on putting in place our
bootstrapping kernel.
There are no Smalltalk able to do that right now.
GNU Smalltalk does just that, if it doesn't find an image,
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit differently, thanks to your
explanations.
I see pragmas used mainly for two things:
1- expressing a link to some metadata used by low level tools: compiler, C
lang generator, etc... primitives for me are part of that. Kind of neat to
see that
Hi,
I really like Spotter. The preview feature makes me think that would be
useful to have it in code completion. So often I use the wrong method
because completion does not display class name. The ability to have
code preview in code completion (and maybe class hierarchy too) would
make me
Hello,
I have just found that calling asByteArray for any negative small integer
returns the same result that the positive small integer. Is it supposed to be
like that or is it a bug?
1 asByteArray = -1 asByteArray. true
(1 to: 10) allSatisfy: [ :int | int asByteArray = int negated
Hi Thierry,
I still have the same problem, I managed to install and configure
GitFiletree, I can add a remote git repository, load packages from it, etc.
Also, I created a new stable version with the versioner. If I open the
repository with Monticello I can see the history of the the packages,
Yes, we need to improve that. Names are nice, but they make it harder to
explore the system.
On 06 Feb 2015, at 12:43, Sean P. DeNigris s...@clipperadams.com wrote:
Markus Fritsche-4 wrote
+1 to that one.
Yes, I also find it difficult - much more so when I was new to the
community, but
I have a few questions:
Why don't you all use a 6-paned browser (called the package browser in
Squeak) and control the introduction of top-level meta-categories?
Because you have tags and you can filter packages.
@Stephen, I don't know of the six panelled browser you refer to, but
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One more thing: accessing the integer bytes means accessing the details of
internal representation...
But if you look a bit deeper, you'll discover that:
- SmallInteger use 2-complement internally (not accounting for immediate
tag bits)
- LargeInteger use sign-magnitude internally.
So to
On 06 Feb 2015, at 11:50, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Next: When building classes with Slots, the class builder need to call back
on the slot and hand the class to each. Then the slot
can reflectively change the class, e.g. the PropertySlot will check if there
is
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit differently, thanks to your
explanations.
I see pragmas used mainly for two things:
1- expressing a link to some metadata used by low level tools: compiler,
Java has hadoop, spark, swing, spring, jaxb, jta, jdbc, atomikos, quartz,
velocity, beanshell, ...
iOS has a ton of weird names as well in frameworks.
Knowing the lay of the land is part of taking part of any ecosystem.
I actually like the names.
As of VW you tell me what AppeX and SiouX are
Next: When building classes with Slots, the class builder need to call back
on the slot and hand the class to each. Then the slot
can reflectively change the class, e.g. the PropertySlot will check if there
is already a hidden property base slot and if not, add it
reflectively).
This is
Alejandro,
On 06 Feb 2015, at 15:10, Alejandro Infante alejandroinfant...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hello,
I have just found that calling asByteArray for any negative small integer
returns the same result that the positive small integer. Is it supposed to be
like that or is it a bug?
1
I see it as well from time to time in #40478 but not often and it does not seem
to have any negative effect, I can just keep on working and there is no obvious
slowdown.
On 06 Feb 2015, at 16:23, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
On 06 Feb 2015, at 09:07, Marcus Denker
Hi,
There will a big update of the Inria CI infrastructure.
On 10 Feb the system will go offline 5PM Paris time, it will
be online the 12th hopefully latest.
Why? For now the system just supports Win and Linux.
This update will add the base for MacOS vitual servers.
(If you wonder how it works
Yes, but that is not really provided as a #catalog* method, is it ?
There is #catalogDescription, but that is some lines of text.
There should be something like #catalogLabel for a sjort one-line title style
label.
On 06 Feb 2015, at 16:26, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit differently, thanks to your
explanations.
I see pragmas used mainly for two things:
1- expressing a link to some metadata used by low level tools: compiler,
there should be both: a name and a category
Seaside - Web framework
Zinc - HTTP server
etc.
Esteban
On 06 Feb 2015, at 16:16, Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr wrote:
Yes, we need to improve that. Names are nice, but they make it harder to
explore the system.
On 06 Feb 2015, at
El Fri Feb 06 2015 at 4:30:10 PM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com
escribió:
On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:52 AM, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com
wrote:
Well, but imagine how complex that bootstrap becomes when you want to add
to your classes:
- traits
- layouts
- slots
...
And
Hi Thierry,
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:29 AM, Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com
wrote:
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:58 AM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit differently, thanks to your
explanations.
I see pragmas used
2015-02-06 17:05 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com:
@General, btw is it possible to have more levels in the package pane, so
that all the AST packages appear under a single first level entry AST ?
Yes @Ben, but it's not yet in Nautilus. I have a few experiments in that in
AltBrowser,
Hi Frank,
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 2:29 AM, Frank Shearar frank.shea...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 5 February 2015 at 21:20, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-02-05 21:28 GMT+01:00 Eliot Miranda eliot.mira...@gmail.com:
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Thierry Goubier
I was going to complain about expecting such niceties as a built in
2s-complement rather than program it myself (I am a bit rusty on such
matters), but when I look what should I find?
(-123 asTwosComplement: 16r) asByteArray. = #[255 255 255
133]
cheers -ben
Hi Ben,
You might
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 10:48 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Alejandro,
On 06 Feb 2015, at 15:10, Alejandro Infante
alejandroinfant...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have just found that calling asByteArray for any negative small
integer returns the same result that the
Hi Ben,
2015-02-06 16:03 GMT+01:00 Ben Coman b...@openinworld.com:
On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 5:58 PM, Thierry Goubier thierry.goub...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi Eliot,
maybe I'll frame the core question a bit differently, thanks to your
explanations.
I see pragmas used mainly for two things:
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