Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-28 Thread Esteban Maringolo
On Thu, Nov 28, 2019 at 6:14 AM Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > This is all true, BUT ... > > Very few people attempt to do fundamental > changes/cleanups/subsystem-replacements in the core image. This all true, BUT ... :-) > This takes a lot of work, is never easy and almost always has

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-28 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
This is all true, BUT ... Very few people attempt to do fundamental changes/cleanups/subsystem-replacements in the core image. This takes a lot of work, is never easy and almost always has issues. Resources are limited as well, in theory things can be done better, in practice in the real

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-28 Thread Torsten Bergmann
To me it certainly looks like a to get things in by all means. Have to admit I had this kind of "panic mode" myself several times in the past too ;) Stef writes he now does not have the time nor energy - which I guess (including his reactions) is a tribute to his workload. But then it would

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread Benoit St-Jean via Pharo-dev
--- Begin Message --- Stéphane, You could have said the exact same thing in nicer words, calmly WITHOUT SHOUTING and taking it personal. If people criticize stuff/work/code, it's because 1) they care about Pharo 2) they use Pharo. The day no one will complain on the list will mean Pharo's

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread Nicolas Cellier
Why is there no deprecation for classes? The class definition can belong to a deprecated package. For more advanced feature, the deprected globals could belong to another dictionary, a bit like Undeclared... Le mer. 27 nov. 2019 à 21:31, ducasse a écrit : > Cyril > > there is no deprecation for

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread ducasse
Cyril there is no deprecation for classes: yes I would have to subclass each class and provide old classes. Sorry but *I*** repackaged, cleaned the tests, cleaned the baseline, made sure that the baseline is working …. of - GTRecorder (not used in Pharo since 3 YEARS).

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread ducasse
> On 27 Nov 2019, at 14:05, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:29 PM ducasse wrote: >> >> Cyril >> >> We are crawling with too many things. >> Pharo should start to lose fat FOR REAL. >> I really hope that we will get rid of lot of old code in the future. >> If Enlumineur

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
On Wed, Nov 27, 2019 at 2:17 PM Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > > > Yes, this could have been handled much better, I guess (I don't know the > details). > > But for day to day work, you have to use Pharo 7, which should be 100% > stable, while Pharo 8 is a moving target, an alpha version that

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
> On 27 Nov 2019, at 14:05, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:29 PM ducasse wrote: >> >> Cyril >> >> We are crawling with too many things. >> Pharo should start to lose fat FOR REAL. >> I really hope that we will get rid of lot of old code in the future. >> If Enlumineur

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-27 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 6:29 PM ducasse wrote: > > Cyril > > We are crawling with too many things. > Pharo should start to lose fat FOR REAL. > I really hope that we will get rid of lot of old code in the future. > If Enlumineur does not work when we integrate it - I just issue a PR > then you

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-26 Thread Torsten Bergmann
2019 um 18:29 Uhr > Von: "ducasse" > An: "Pharo Development List" > Betreff: Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal > > Cyril > > We are crawling with too many things. > Pharo should start to lose fat FOR REAL. > I really hope that we will get rid of lot of old code

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-26 Thread ducasse
> On 26 Nov 2019, at 14:16, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:07 PM ducasse wrote: >> >> Cyril can you wait until this evening? >> We should remove old things and having the two side by side is a lot more >> painful >> to work. >> We are still in Pharo 80 alpha. >> >>

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-26 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
On Tue, Nov 26, 2019 at 2:07 PM ducasse wrote: > > Cyril can you wait until this evening? > We should remove old things and having the two side by side is a lot more > painful > to work. > We are still in Pharo 80 alpha. > > Stef > Can't we deprecate it? It's 1200 LoC, if it's deprecated

Re: [Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-26 Thread ducasse
Cyril can you wait until this evening? We should remove old things and having the two side by side is a lot more painful to work. We are still in Pharo 80 alpha. Stef > On 26 Nov 2019, at 11:55, Cyril Ferlicot wrote: > > Hi, > > Can we revert the removal of blueink the time the new

[Pharo-dev] BlueInk removal

2019-11-26 Thread Cyril Ferlicot
Hi, Can we revert the removal of blueink the time the new formatter is in the image please? (And maybe deprecate it instead of removing it). I ask this because: - If we work with Pharo 8 we need to format the code by hand because the format option is currently messing the code - The current