There were an addon named DontModeMeIn for VisualWorks browser which I
believe did the same thing. It was written by Vasilii Bykov and there was
an article on it in his blog, but I can't find that blog in the new
Cincom's site, and can't find that article in WaybackMachine either… The
only
Le 03/09/2013 21:04, Camillo Bruni a écrit :
On 2013-09-03, at 09:36, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote:
And I would probably have to come and try to maintain your fork because you
wouldn't be using it and let it be deprecated for pharo 4 or 5...
exactly, and for each Pharo
Le 04/09/2013 08:38, Marcus Denker a écrit :
On Sep 4, 2013, at 4:52 AM, David T. Lewis le...@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0200, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 03/09/2013 13:36, David T. Lewis a ?crit :
Can you post the method here first? I'd like to check it on
Here's [
http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/publicRepository/VB-Sketch-DontModeMeIn.html]
the description:
An experimental tweak of the Refactoring Browser to support modeless
editing. With this installed, it is possible to go to a different method or
class within the same browser. while a method is
Why do you need to support Squeak 3.8? This is how many years old?
I really do not understand this idea to be compatible to all old versions
ever.
I respect whatever approach is used to make a usefull set of software
portable across multiple versions / implementations / OS, as long
On Sep 3, 2013, at 9:27 PM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
agreed we should change that since years.
Some days we should stop and fix all the glitches that give us these hiccups.
... and that day is around october, when we freeze pharo3 and start to fix bugs
:)
Esteban
Le 04/09/2013 09:40, Marcus Denker a écrit :
Why do you need to support Squeak 3.8? This is how many years old?
I really do not understand this idea to be compatible to all old versions ever.
I respect whatever approach is used to make a usefull set of software portable
across multiple
On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote:
Le 04/09/2013 09:40, Marcus Denker a écrit :
Why do you need to support Squeak 3.8? This is how many years old?
I really do not understand this idea to be compatible to all old versions
ever.
I respect
Le 04/09/2013 10:06, Marcus Denker a écrit :
On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:00 AM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote:
Le 04/09/2013 09:40, Marcus Denker a écrit :
Why do you need to support Squeak 3.8? This is how many years old?
I really do not understand this idea to be
When running Pharo 30366 tests on Pharo VM 6.0-pre (21.0) on a 10.6.8 mac
I get different results when I open the image and run the tests compared to
when I saved and quit the image and then re-run the tests.
2nd time results:
11287 run, 11232 passes, 12 skipped, 26 expected failures, 6
On 4 September 2013 08:38, Norbert Hartl norb...@hartl.name wrote:
Am 03.09.2013 um 15:07 schrieb Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com:
this is most annoying to me, that UI interrupts you in very strange
manner
and asks you to make a decision:
- accept, or discard the method, or cancel
Yes, systematical approach matters :)
But as to me it is quite simple feature, and in right hands (pointing at
Ben ;), it can be implemented quite easily.
In Nautilus there as many features which has similar concepts (need to
change browser's context) - like navigation history.
I guess combining
Hmm. Did this get sent or was it filtered? It doesn't seem to be in my
inbox for the pharo-dev list.
Cheers,
Jeff
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM, J.F. Rick s...@je77.com wrote:
I'm using Pharo 2.0 on Ubuntu 13.10 and I can't seem to get sound working.
Getting sound to work on Linux seems to
Hmm, and somewhat later the image freezes
On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote:
But it is clear that this is a fine line: one persons fix is the others
persons bug, so we tend to be conservative.
But nevertheless, all show-stopping bugs should be fixed.
In general: It is *a lot* of work,
On Sep 4, 2013, at 11:22 AM, J.F. Rick s...@je77.com wrote:
Hmm. Did this get sent or was it filtered? It doesn't seem to be in my inbox
for the pharo-dev list.
It arrived…
Cheers,
Jeff
On Tue, Sep 3, 2013 at 5:03 PM, J.F. Rick s...@je77.com wrote:
I'm using Pharo 2.0 on
Pretty well written piece about real documentation:
http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/
Sven
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Proudly supporting Pharo
http://pharo.org
http://association.pharo.org
http://consortium.pharo.org
On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:59 AM, Stephan Eggermont step...@stack.nl wrote:
When running Pharo 30366 tests on Pharo VM 6.0-pre (21.0) on a 10.6.8 mac
I really need to deprecate that number (6.0-pre (21.0)) and replace it for the
git commit number... it does not says anything to me now :S
Hi!
If the modules are not printed, that probably means that they cannot be
loaded :). (Bah, I assume that by looking at the vm code that does that
[1]).
So, first thing you can do is to see the output of stderr. Second, you can
try to do an ldd [2] to the vm-sound-ALSA.so library to check the
Le 04/09/2013 11:27, Marcus Denker a écrit :
On Sep 4, 2013, at 10:18 AM, Goubier Thierry thierry.goub...@cea.fr wrote:
But it is clear that this is a fine line: one persons fix is the others persons
bug, so we tend to be conservative.
But nevertheless, all show-stopping bugs should be
Doru wrote:
I have a different opinion. This modality issue is not something we fix as a
bug. Of course, we can put in place a patch that somehow makes it work in the
current browser, but the core problem is a conceptual one. And that requires a
redesign of the user interface.
+1
And with the
I don't understand where the tragedy is..
you want your production code to work in Pharo 2.0?
Write it to work well in 2.0, don't care about 3.0 or any other future
possible changes.
Want your code to work on bleeding-edge 3.0 image?
Refactor/do the changes to make it work.. leave 2.0 behind.
You
Thanks. When trying to load the ALSA sound, stderr just reports could not
find module vm-sound-ALSA.
Doing an ldd on the vm-sound-ALSA.so included with the Pharo VM, I get:
linux-gate.so.1 = (0xf76e9000)
libc.so.6 = /lib/i386-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0xf7515000)
As I see it, there is around a hundred kBytes gain overall, maybe more in a
production image full of add-on classes.
Not that much nowadays, but since we cannot remove the complexity, it's
still worth to select the selectors with most references.
2013/9/4 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com
i
In JIT, it makes sense because there are special handling for well known
special selectors (#+ #at: # etc...).
2013/9/4 Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com
i think you can feel the difference while running interpreter.
With JIT it makes little sense to have special selectors imo.
On 4
I'd say it's pretty strange that the vm-sound-ALSA needs almost nothing...
From the code I'd think It'd need to bind against asound [1], as the squeak
vm says in
libasound.so.2 = /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libasound.so.2
(0x7f3c507ba000)
[1]
Indeed. Yet the Squeak version does not load either.
Cheers,
Jeff
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Guillermo Polito guillermopol...@gmail.com
wrote:
I'd say it's pretty strange that the vm-sound-ALSA needs almost nothing...
From the code I'd think It'd need to bind against asound [1], as
Le 04/09/2013 11:52, Igor Stasenko a écrit :
I don't understand where the tragedy is..
you want your production code to work in Pharo 2.0?
Write it to work well in 2.0, don't care about 3.0 or any other future
possible changes.
Want your code to work on bleeding-edge 3.0 image?
Refactor/do the
Thanks Henry for the correction. Should I prepare an OSProcess version
with all the changes necessary for Pharo3 ?
Thierry
Le 04/09/2013 04:51, David T. Lewis a écrit :
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0200, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 03/09/2013 13:36, David T. Lewis a ?crit :
Can you
'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid:
acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 Sep 3 2013
NBCogit NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19 uuid:
acc98e51-2fba-4841-a965-2975997bba66 Sep 3 2013
g...@github.com:pharo-project/pharovm.git Commit:
Do you have libasound installed for i386? cause the one that outputs ldd
looks like in folder for x86_64
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 1:06 PM, J.F. Rick s...@je77.com wrote:
Indeed. Yet the Squeak version does not load either.
Cheers,
Jeff
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Guillermo Polito
Well. I'm not that familiar with these C dependency things. It seems like
the i386 ones were not installed. I did sudo apt-get install
libasound2:i386 and sudo apt-get install libasound2-dev:i386 and sudo
apt-get install libasound2-plugins:i386 to install it. While that seems to
have worked to
I really liked it!
thanks for the link :)
On 2013-09-04, at 06:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Pretty well written piece about real documentation:
http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/
Sven
--
Sven Van Caekenberghe
Proudly supporting Pharo
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 10:51:33PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0200, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 03/09/2013 13:36, David T. Lewis a ?crit :
Can you post the method here first? I'd like to check it on some Squeak
images
before it goes into the
On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:13 PM, David T. Lewis le...@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 10:51:33PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0200, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 03/09/2013 13:36, David T. Lewis a ?crit :
Can you post the method here first? I'd
+1
Doru
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.comwrote:
I really liked it!
thanks for the link :)
On 2013-09-04, at 06:34, Sven Van Caekenberghe s...@stfx.eu wrote:
Pretty well written piece about real documentation:
So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires Saturday,
the 14th of September.
The question is now where do we meet?
The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that is not possible
the weekend.
Any suggestions?
On 2013-09-03, at 09:05, Mariano Martinez Peck
Probably UTN?
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Camillo Bruni camillobr...@gmail.comwrote:
So it looks like we are going to do the Pharo sprint in Buenos Aires
Saturday, the 14th of September.
The question is now where do we meet?
The original idea was to reserver a room at the UBA, but that
Triangulating...
14636, 14632, 14620
Both older versions have problems with cleaning up after NB, all three have
problems with high prio process,
the newest two with localhostname blockclosures.
Stephan
And an even older version:
'NBCoInterpreter NativeBoost-CogPlugin-GuillermoPolito.19
On the 4th floor there's some stable connection. Also if we are not too
much people we could use the teacher's room at Systems Department... Or one
of the laboratories in the 3rd floor (the yellow one would be nice).
On 4 September 2013 10:32, Nicolas Passerini npasser...@gmail.com wrote:
I
We have this strange bug again that we get timeouts on the Squeaksource,
I thought the Sven fixed it, but it still persists in the latest image.
I reopened https://pharo.fogbugz.com/default.asp?6923
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I think UTN is not a good idea for a Pharo sprint, because we will need a
good Internet connection and that can not be guaranteed here.
(Or correct me and tell me that Internet connection is not a must, so we
can meet here at UTN without problems).
How much people is coming to the Sprint?
On
If you say so...
The Systems Department won't be open on Saturday afternoon, but we could
reserve a lab.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Clara Allende clari.alle...@gmail.comwrote:
On the 4th floor there's some stable connection. Also if we are not too
much people we could use the teacher's
On Wed, Sep 4, 2013 at 3:35 AM, Igor Stasenko siguc...@gmail.com wrote:
i think you can feel the difference while running interpreter.
With JIT it makes little sense to have special selectors imo.
There are two advantages. Space; special selectors encode a message send
in 1 byte, instead of
On 04 Sep 2013, at 21:54, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote:
I have the impression that the Deep into Pharo book is going in that
direction.
Rest assured that all the work that you and others are doing with regards to
the different books is absolutely in the right direction !
I have the impression that the Deep into Pharo book is going in that direction.
Pretty well written piece about real documentation:
http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/09/teach-dont-tell/
Sven
--
Sven Van Caekenberghe
Proudly supporting Pharo
http://pharo.org
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 02:17:29PM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote:
On Sep 4, 2013, at 2:13 PM, David T. Lewis le...@mail.msen.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 10:51:33PM -0400, David T. Lewis wrote:
On Tue, Sep 03, 2013 at 01:48:46PM +0200, Goubier Thierry wrote:
Le 03/09/2013 13:36,
On Wed, Sep 04, 2013 at 08:38:04AM +0200, Marcus Denker wrote:
Why do you need to support Squeak 3.8? This is how many years old?
I really do not understand this idea to be compatible to all old versions
ever.
I do not think that there is any right or wrong answer to this, it is
perhaps
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