Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Tim Mackinnon
I see the answer is due to STON - fine I'll live with it. I think we missed a chance to superficially look like more conventional languages on the web in GitHub but that ship had sailed and maybe it's not such a bad thing. I'll happily take just been able to efficiently use GitHub asap any

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Ben Coman
On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:18 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Hi all, > > I released Iceberg version 0.6. It includes a lot of small tweaks and > fixes, but the most important inclusion is tonel file format which aims to > replace file tree. > > What is Tonel?

Re: [Pharo-dev] slots & first class relations

2017-10-07 Thread Ben Coman
thx for the tip. cheers -ben On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Peter Uhnák wrote: > Take a look at the "Slot" package in Pharo. > There's "Examples" and "Examples-Associations" (first class relations) > tags. > > Peter > > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Ben Coman

Re: [Pharo-dev] slots & first class relations

2017-10-07 Thread Peter Uhnák
Take a look at the "Slot" package in Pharo. There's "Examples" and "Examples-Associations" (first class relations) tags. Peter On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:32 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > Just wondering what was the status of Slots regarding "first class > relations" described in

Re: [Pharo-dev] Pulling Web XML data into spreadsheet

2017-10-07 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Ben Coman wrote > Nope. Wow. Kudos to them. Unlucky for you ;) - Cheers, Sean -- Sent from: http://forum.world.st/Pharo-Smalltalk-Developers-f1294837.html

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Tim we talk about this format of methods year ago and we will like it and we will not discuss it anymore. For the record a method is a named block so it fits and we do not have to have {} for method delimiters. Stef On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Tim Mackinnon wrote: > Gosh

Re: [Pharo-dev] Swimming with the fish imagery

2017-10-07 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Did you watch the What is Pharo videos of the mooc :) On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 3:16 AM, Ben Coman wrote: > > "Swimming with the fish" is a catchy phrase that I like which seems to > encompass the strength of Pharo's tight development feedback loop that comes > from operating

[Pharo-dev] slots & first class relations

2017-10-07 Thread Ben Coman
Just wondering what was the status of Slots regarding "first class relations" described in "Flexible Object Layouts" - and availability of examples/tutorials. https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/51216612.pdf cheers -ben

Re: [Pharo-dev] Swimming with the fish imagery

2017-10-07 Thread Ben Coman
I haven't. I just went looking for it through all the video links here... http://files.pharo.org/mooc/ and couldn't recognise which you refer to. Do you have a link? cheers -ben On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:23 PM, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > Did you watch the What is

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Denis Kudriashov
How method history will be supported with Tonel? 2017-10-06 19:18 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > Hi all, > > I released Iceberg version 0.6. It includes a lot of small tweaks and > fixes, but the most important inclusion is tonel file format which aims to > replace file

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Yes it would be good that class description do not use category else we will never be able to clean. Denis multiple tags for methods. when we will stop to add new features and stabilise what we have? Yes I'm not in a good mood because I see that I will have to migrate all calypso in the future

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 6 Oct 2017, at 23:44, Cyril Ferlicot D. wrote: > > Le 06/10/2017 à 23:34, Tim Mackinnon a écrit : >> Gosh - It actually work quite well to be able to easily browse code >> online in a more traditional format of seeing an entire class. Hopefully >> this leads to us

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 6 Oct 2017, at 21:56, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > > > > On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 4:46 PM, Cyril Ferlicot D. > wrote: > Le 06/10/2017 à 21:38, Cyril Ferlicot D. a écrit : > > Le 06/10/2017 à 21:34,

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 7 Oct 2017, at 08:10, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > Hi Esteban > > 2017-10-06 19:18 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano >: > Hi all, > > I released Iceberg version 0.6. It includes a lot of small tweaks and fixes, > but

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 7 Oct 2017, at 08:14, Denis Kudriashov wrote: > > How method history will be supported with Tonel? we will use git blame, probably. or we will use log from class then take definitions and trace method changes. what is easier to implement (right now, I think is the

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 7 Oct 2017, at 10:10, Stephane Ducasse wrote: > > Yes it would be good that class description do not use category else > we will never be able to clean. but as I said to Denis, adapting tonel would be easy, but it would be a cosmetic change when what we actually

Re: [Pharo-dev] [ANN] Iceberg 0.6 released

2017-10-07 Thread Denis Kudriashov
Hi Esteban 2017-10-06 19:18 GMT+02:00 Esteban Lorenzano : > Hi all, > > I released Iceberg version 0.6. It includes a lot of small tweaks and > fixes, but the most important inclusion is tonel file format which aims to > replace file tree. > > What is Tonel?

Re: [Pharo-dev] Reproducible VM Crash using UFFI

2017-10-07 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 7 Oct 2017, at 00:11, Hernán Morales Durand > wrote: > > 2017-10-06 2:39 GMT-03:00 Sven Van Caekenberghe >: >> >> >>> On 6 Oct 2017, at 05:34, Hernán Morales Durand >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Nicolas

[Pharo-dev] PharoMinimal ?

2017-10-07 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi, What is the story around PharoMinimal and related images ? Is there a writeup somewhere with instructions ? I see that we get **FANTASTIC** startup speed with it: $ cat /etc/issue Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS $ ./pharo --version 5.0-201708271955 Sun Aug 27 20:09:20 UTC 2017 gcc 4.6.3 [Production

Re: [Pharo-dev] PharoMinimal ?

2017-10-07 Thread Stephane Ducasse
I will let guille and pavel reply because they know. Sven guille and/or Pavel sent a mail a while ago explaining all the different stages. What I want is that we continue shrinking the core and get a modular system. We are getting there for real. ;) Stef On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 4:18 PM, Sven

Re: [Pharo-dev] slots & first class relations

2017-10-07 Thread Stephane Ducasse
I would love that someone work on a Pharo modeling library: Pharo + relationships. Stef On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > thx for the tip. > cheers -ben > > > On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 8:24 PM, Peter Uhnák wrote: >> >> Take a look at the

Re: [Pharo-dev] Swimming with the fish imagery

2017-10-07 Thread Stephane Ducasse
Ben you should have a look super fast at the mooc because some lectures are nice pearls. Anyway: I was talking about http://rmod-pharo-mooc.lille.inria.fr/MOOC/Videos/W1/C019SD-W1-S2-v2.mp4 looks for the aquariums :) Stef On Sat, Oct 7, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Ben Coman wrote: >